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When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

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Postby ChrisHoStuart » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:41 am

Good to see your first priority was to Dr Lee, and not to all us observers!
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Postby honee_v » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:43 am

@ChrisHoStuart, we really want to be sincere with our apologies to DNLee .. a public apology will also be released today together with the email screenshot
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Postby ChrisHoStuart » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:04 am

honee_v wrote:@ChrisHoStuart, we really want to be sincere with our apologies to DNLee .. a public apology will also be released today together with the email screenshot


You personally have handled this difficult situation and lot of pressure with much grace. You had to step in here as the visible face of biology-online, and I'm impressed with how you handled it. You have that in common with Dr Lee!

Best wishes -- Chris
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Postby GreyDog » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:06 am

Thank you. I look forward to seeing the letter. It's been a tough weekend for you, DNLee and this site.

honee_v wrote:UPDATE: an apology letter was sent by one of the owners of the site to DNLee, dated October 13, 2013. A screenshot of this email will be posted here today upon approval. Thank you.
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Postby peaceofmind » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:48 am

was the man fired?
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Postby honee_v » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:43 am

Apologies to DNLee and the action taken against Ofek regarding the reported issue of discriminatory behavior towards DNLee - about34647.html
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Postby Flak182 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:35 am

Ofek is the internet's problem now. And oh boy, will we have some words for Ofek.

As a matter of scientific progress, you owe it to all the poor people named Ofek, who aren't the imbecile in question, to GIVE US OFEK'S REAL NAME.

We are the internet. You must respect our authoritay.


Allow me to be the first to suggest that once Ofek's properly identified and his cell phone gets loose, we all call with an OFEK YOURSELF.
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Postby catso » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:34 am

Flak182 wrote:Ofek is the internet's problem now. And oh boy, will we have some words for Ofek.

As a matter of scientific progress, you owe it to all the poor people named Ofek, who aren't the imbecile in question, to GIVE US OFEK'S REAL NAME.

We are the internet. You must respect our authoritay.


Allow me to be the first to suggest that once Ofek's properly identified and his cell phone gets loose, we all call with an OFEK YOURSELF.


Well no. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that if you're going to punish someone, you need to make sure you get the right person in the first place. The onus is on the punisher. That's a fundamental tenant of justice. They owe other Ofeks nothing. You who want to go harass him need to do your due diligence. Take responsibility for your actions, like Ofek has had to.
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Postby JackBean » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:17 am

Please, stop acting like crazy, people. Yeah, he did what he definitely shouldn't. However, we couldn't act earlier since we didn't know about it and DNLee decided to rather write a blog about that instead of handling it with someone above Ofek. I understand that since she didn't have any other contact than him, but it's her decicion.
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Postby ChrisHoStuart » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:58 am

DNLee showed a lot of class, IMO. Her video response to Ofek was primarily a message to young scientists, about valuing their time and their work and recognizing that it is okay to decide for yourself where and when you donate your time. It wasn't focused on trying to find and fix one problem with one blog editor. It used the exchange with Ofek as a jumping off point for a larger consideration of general issues for young scientists. Well played, and a good message.

Unfortunately, since then there's been a lot of unfair criticism of biology-online in more general terms around the internet as the story got picked up and people started expressing their anger. For my part, I think you guys (most especially: Vicki) have done a good job of handling the fallout. (As I said above) And I've been trying to say that in my small way in some of blog and twitter discussions as well.

I was struck myself with the irony! Dr Danielle Lee was making her main point about unreasonable demands. And then in the fall out, many folks around the internet were effectively demanding that biology-online had to fix everything RIGHT NOW. That's not consistent! (The sense of demand and entitlement just above by Flak182 is a case in point. Dude! You're just compounding the errors.)

You guys have responded appropriately and as quickly as anyone could have reasonably expected. Not everyone is going to recognize that. You are the people most damaged by Ofek's crudity, I suspect. (Had Dr Lee been someone else she could have been hurt, but by her own account she's ok; thankfully.)

I joined up because I wanted to say some of this as the issue was blowing up; I've also joined in a couple of other forum threads as I've been involved in these kinds of forums before. (Specifically: talk.origins feedback column, evcforum, plus some more physics related sites like physicsforums.) Hi!
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Postby FreelanceScientist » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:22 pm

honee_v wrote:Apologies to DNLee and the action taken against Ofek regarding the reported issue of discriminatory behavior towards DNLee - about34647.html


It's unusual to see a proper apology such as this these days, accompanied by proper action. Thank you.

I hope the vigilantes in this thread calm down. I'm sure Ofek's home institute is aware of this and probably speaking to him too.

Good luck to DNLee too. I hope Scientific American manages to put its own house in order half as well as you have, so far Mariette DiChristina has been less than honest or especially convincing. And they still haven't restored the post! I'm sure biology-online hasn't threatened any action else you would have mentioned it.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby PhilS » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:18 pm

I am pleased and satisfied with the actions that Biology-Online took with respect to their former employee Ofek. Thanks, Biology-Online, for your prompt action in taking care of this situation over the weekend! Now my only issue is with trying to persuade Scientific American to reinstate Dr. Danielle Lee's original blog post, perhaps with Biology-Online's apology appended to it.
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