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When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby IamOutis » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:55 pm

I noticed that when I got on this afternoon on the east coast of the western hemisphere that only 11 comments had been posted to this forum subject, though there was one member and 6 guests on the site at that time. I suspect that you would get a good deal more comments if it were not so arduous a process just to leave an enraged comment.

I'm with the others here. I suspect you know that this is inexcusable, and it is only because you are thorough and prudent (unlike your coworker) and want to see the evidence for yourself. I suspect that I will shortly see that this organization has taken swift and public action against the person who wrote so offensively to Ms. (Dr.?) Lee.

I expect I will see that response. Be assured that many more people are paying attention to this issue than are leaving comments here. Your site's reputation are on the line and the clock is ticking.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby brashley46 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:12 pm

You have an editor who is an aspiring pimp. FIRE HIS ASS. :!:
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby jessamyn » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:58 pm

> Derogatory and discriminatory remarks are not encouraged in Biology-Online.org.

I'd suggest you get to the point where they are actually discouraged with actual sanctions attached to this sort of behavior. It's the first time I've heard of your website and it's an ugly thing to be someone's first impression. I hope someone comes back to this forum with an official and concrete response that contains at least an official apology.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby ArcticChar » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:04 pm

Mr. Ofek's sexist language is utterly unacceptable in the scientific community. He needs to be fired, and apologies are owed by biology-online and Nature Publishing Group to DNLee and the community.

Not to brag, but to indicate the kind of reader you have managed to offend, I am a senior male academic. And I stand with my female colleagues and for my daughter in expressing disgust.


This kind of sexist garbage is embarrassing to science.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby LeAnneMartin » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:03 pm

I linked to this site from Sean Carroll's blog. I had to register to post. So, clearly, not a user of the site. But I am really unimpressed with the behavior of the staff here. You have really made the site seem unwelcome to women.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby befisher » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:27 pm

Im fairly disappointed to have read on IFLS about this "whore" nonsense and I sincerely hope that the responsible party is not only required to apologize publically, but should be immediately fired. It's ridiculous to have called a woman a whore because she was unwilling to work for free and I am deeply disgusted that such a thing is tolerated by this site.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby racer4200 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:54 pm

Just in case you don't realize the repercussions of calling someone a whore, please check the "I F*&^%ING LOVE SCIENCE" Facebook post on the subject. They have over 7 million followers.

https://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveSc ... 0888626592

Good luck. You're going t need it.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby mmoussea » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:10 pm

It is never OK to call anyone this, scientist or not. With all the polarization we have occurring in the world, name calling is unprofessional and in this case crass and demeaning. If the threads of this story are correct, the topic blogger politely refused the opportunity to blog and was called a 'whore'. Uncool. A personal apology from Ofek (we don't need to see it), and at a minimum removal of his person in this capacity (interacting with Bloggers) is an appropriate response for Bio-O to take, in my opinion. Markmx
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby marceec » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:14 pm

Never. It is NEVER OK to call a scientist, or any woman, a whore. DUH. Thank you, IFLS, for bringing this to everyone's attention. I plan to share this with everyone I know on FB and Twitter and it's pretty safe to assume that it will be viral soon. I urge Biology Online to address this issue quickly. On behalf of this female chemist and the other female scientists in our lab, we urge you to do the right thing.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby Talyseon » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:15 pm

This is disturbing, not only for Ofek's clear lapse in good judgement and manners, but because it does carry forward several stereotypes. Ofek's invitation was unsolicited. Her responses were very polite. His anger may be a sign of deeper seated issues; does he always lash out when he doesn't get his way? Was it because she is a woman? Either way, these are not signs of a healthy mind. I would suggest if you don't just sack him, that he undergo counseling and sensitivity training as a condition of his continued employment. At any rate, I think the CEO of this site owes the lady an apology. If Ofek owes her one as well, and I would damn well make it a condition for him keeping his job. Or you may just decide to cut your losses, in which case I hope Ofek will seek the help he so desperately needs on his own.
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Re: When is it okay to call a scientist a whore?

Postby Butthurt » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:48 pm

I had to register to post a comment because as a female scientist, and a human being really, this made me so angry. Just to clarify, it is NOT acceptable, under any circumstance to call a woman a whore. Aside from the very obvious misogynic rudeness that came from this Ofek guy, it was baffling the amount of unprofessionalism. This was posted on IFLS and it is only a matter of hours before it goes viral on the web, so as other people have said, good luck to you. Ofek has single handedly driven your reputation into the ground. I'll be watching for updates of termination of his employment.
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Postby jaandra » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:54 pm

As a scientist, a teacher and a woman...let me add my voice to others standing in solidarity with DNLee. It is NEVER okay to call any woman a whore. I am appalled that we are even having to discuss whether or not Ofek is wrong in doing so. Time for Ofek to go. Any other resolution will not be acceptable in my opinion. Biology-Online.org owes DNLee an apology and Scientific American has some explaining to do. We are all waiting.
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