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Postby Inuyasha » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:24 am

Intersting theory. But would the new intelligent species be as destructive as humans are. I really doubt that. Since we erdicated over 10 billion species since our existence.
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Postby thank.darwin » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:58 pm

Yes, I believe that an intelligent species would eventually have negative affects on the environment...
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Postby biostudent84 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:15 am

thank.darwin wrote:If humans where not here then an intelligent life form would eventually evolve and have the same effects on the environment as we do now. :D


I wouldn't go that far. Since humans learned to farm crops and domisticate animals, they have been more or less removed from any semblance of a true niche in nature. Since we do not have a niche in nature, if we were to be "gone," there would be no reason to evolve another "intelligent"--as you say--species. The only way a new species arises in the absence of another is when there is a void in nature. If humans were to be "gone," again, there would be no void.
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Postby Inuyasha » Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:05 pm

Really, don't you think that eventually an organism would develop just as smart as humans. Who knows that organism may exist already....
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Postby Bleh » Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:27 pm

For a animal to be 'smart' it need to be able to adabt and make tools, so if you have a stone and use it as a stone (say as otters do) that isnt smartness, just a trick passed down from generations, but if ulter that tool for a better use, (say hitting it with another rock and making a blade edge) is smartness.

Also you need to be able to do this in the first place (so thoes who say dolphins are as smart as humans may be right but they dont have hands so there not going to get anywhere fast).- So if any animal is going to get as smart as humans its going to have some way of holding somthing (i.e hands, feet)
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Postby biostudent84 » Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:11 pm

Bleh wrote:For a animal to be 'smart' it need to be able to adabt and make tools, so if you have a stone and use it as a stone (say as otters do) that isnt smartness, just a trick passed down from generations, but if ulter that tool for a better use, (say hitting it with another rock and making a blade edge) is smartness.

Also you need to be able to do this in the first place (so thoes who say dolphins are as smart as humans may be right but they dont have hands so there not going to get anywhere fast).- So if any animal is going to get as smart as humans its going to have some way of holding somthing (i.e hands, feet)


You're getting too subjective. You are making the argument that the more like a human an organism is, the smarter it is.

Read the past arguments. Intellect is the control an organism has over its abilities. The better an organism utilizes its abilities, the more of a chance it has to survive.

You can't truly relate intellect interspecifically. A bacteria is as intelligent at phosphorolating chemicals as we are at building skyscrapers.
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Postby mith » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:50 am

@bleh

If manual dexterity in using tools is the measure of intellect, then cripples like stephen hawkins would fall under the "dumb" category. Perhaps a broader definition would be more prudent?
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Postby biostudent84 » Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:45 am

+50 Kudos points, Mithril
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Postby mith » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:05 am

+1 level up :D
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Postby Bleh » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:13 am

A bacteria is as intelligent at phosphorolating chemicals as we are at building skyscrapers.


We can (well i think)- phosphorolate chmicals, but ive never seen a group of chemicals build a skyscraper...


Also i was trying to make the point is that a animal that manages to adapt a tool to its own use is, in its way 'smarter' survival wise- not in say iq (like getting pigs to answer puzzels).

If manual dexterity in using tools is the measure of intellect, then cripples like stephen hawkins would fall under the "dumb" category


with my expleration above, who would survive longer in a forest? = a monkey or stephan. - your point about the expleration was good though.
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Postby biostudent84 » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:18 pm

Bleh wrote:We can (well i think)- phosphorolate chmicals, but ive never seen a group of chemicals build a skyscraper...


We can...but can we can't get nearly enough energy to survive by doing so.
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Postby mith » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:39 pm

well, the monkey would survive longer, so you think the monkey is smarter?
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