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Postby alextemplet » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:06 am

No, I'm not quite sure I can figure this out. Are you suggesting that the prophets conducted time travel?
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:57 am

Alex, excuse me if I seem confused, as I said
you are a mystery. 8)
as to what exactly you believe,
I was catholic for a loooong time. So I know
what they are suposed to believe:
one God the father almighty CREATOR of heaven and earth....
(from the apostolic creed) that I had to say every day BTW

And ..."thy" will be done on earth as it is in heaven

I believe these statements.

Do you agree?

so in view of that, what would you not believe in regards
to quantum travel and God? I mean he could explain the
principes of it to a gathering of the most renowned physicist
on earth, and some :)
"with God all things are possible.

And as a side point that has me scratching my head is
if quantum time travel is possible (theoreticaly) then how more crazy is any thing else. Doesnt those concepts just blow your mind?

they do mine. :)
Just musings on my part, dear ALex :)
How else could they know?

tomorow night BTW, is going to be a good one
on SCI channel on venus. I know yu are interested in astronomy eyc.

PS (edit added) said it's theoretical because some actualy still deny it i guess, although demonstrated?
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:13 am

I agree with everything you said, but I wouldn't be so quick to call prophecies examples of quantum physics. I have no doubt, though, that God could've used quantum physics to achieve anything He desires.

A prophet, as the Bible defines it, is anyone through whom God speaks. God has to first speak to the prophet so the prophet can take that message to its intended recipient. This latter part of prophesy, the delivery of the message, is as basic as you and I talking to each other. The first part, God giving the message to the prophet, can be accomplished through simple prayer. In prayer I have been able to hear God's voice and I have even seen Him in a few visions. I guess God could've used quantum physics, but I think He could've done it in other ways, too. Like stimulating neurons in my brain to cause me to see or hear something that isn't physically there. This is why sometimes only one person can hear God or see a vision while people standing right next to Him can't.

And think about this. If quantum physics is so awe-inspiring (and it is), how much more amazing is He who created it?
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:32 am

venus and global warming, the search to find life on other planets

were getting closer!

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/artic ... 0000000001

on the quantum travel and time.
yes, God would give the prophets this knowlege,
He being omniscent
but their being as babes in scientific knowlege
( not having any clue to omniscientific concepts) he
couldn't very well talk to them as he would a
modern day scientist.
some extra terrestrial visiters called "angels" to
explain things in simple ancient "lay" terms.

Being omniscent God could "see" in to the future,
by applying quantum physics.

We have a description in Daniel
about the
"celestrial chariot" that can move at
speeds in excess
of light, hover, and change direction
in any way.
just what was that "celestrial chariot"

In modern day if God was speaking to you or I,
he would not say celestrial chatiot, he would explain
it according to the knowledge of the message recipient.

Just questions to ponder.
No one has to agree or disagree.
just raise questions with :)

Think outside the box, and remember the bible has
always been read by ignorant people with the
exception of some monks etc, but was historicaly
only read by a handfull of people some with
"control" issues kWIM? I am not trying
to be derogatory, but very few have had the open mind
to actualy think about these things.

I still think its funny (but i said there is an "elment"
seeking to subvert the bible), how the bible first desribed
the earth as a circle, and yet all you hear is about some such
as Ancient Greek scientists, and Columbus etc.
who somehow figured it out first. And here were bible
writers being inspired to write things down.
this is because of the bible is not scientific bla, bla.

the bible was written for EVERYONE not just scientists.

And if you were going to describe something to a child
you need to describe it in a way THEY understand.
Of course there are new "scrolls" or information comming
in the future, as read about in Revelation, these new scrolls
undoubtedly will be more modern in the descriptions :)
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:37 pm

Funny thing about the earth being round, we had that same discussion in the medicine symbol thread already! How the Greeks invented it, and even though the Biblical description of it is at least 1000 years older, so obviously Moses must've done some time travel and saw what the Greeks had invented and stole it from 1000 years earlier. Funny. 8)
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:37 pm

ehe!!! :lol:

There were a lot of strange things
going on there w/Moses. :?:

He was so curious as to see God.
but God would only let him sneak a peek
from afar, and even then had to "cover"
Moses eyes so to speak,
no doubt so Moses didnt get radiation
burns or something? lol

thing is that is only one example of knowledge
he could not possibly have had.

How about the "Mark" on peoples head and your sons
and daughters and their sons and .... on and on to the future.
so to speak?
could that be congenetal disease? sounds like that to me.
Of course bible writers didnt say , Iam letting you know that

the future generations will inherit congenetal disease from you :lol:

they would say "What :shock: :?: "

then God would :roll:
likewise,
can't explain calculus to a baby can you?

but we can understand those concepts today.
I think humans are finaly in middle school :o

Interesting point I heard mentioned many time on cosmos and other science programs:

It will be very soon that we make contact with
other wordly beings.
that sends shivers. Of course that is just some astro-physicist
oppinion, but they must have "hard" evidence to say
that and not be laughed at.

good day to you!!
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:28 pm

Yeah, that skin disease thing does sound interesting, although I wonder if it's more of just a device used in the vision to distinguish between who follows the beast and who follows Christ. So much of Revelations is symbolic that it's very hard to say with any certainty exactly what will or won't happen.

But that does remind me of some funny jokes that I'll have to post in the "Just for Laughs" thread! :P
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:20 pm

[quote="alextemplet"]Yeah, that skin disease thing does sound interesting, although I wonder if it's more of just a device used in the vision to distinguish between who follows the beast and who follows Christ. So much of Revelations is symbolic that it's very hard to say with any certainty exactly what will or won't happen.


OK Alex, you have totaly lost me :?
how did that come up?????

Enlighten me? :idea:

(edit added) a minute later. :)
OK I think I get the drift. Revalation right?
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Postby damien james » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:02 pm

Linn wrote:Being omniscent God could "see" in to the future,
by applying quantum physics.



This is problem I have with veiw of God in Christianity. If God is truly omniscient and all knowing, wouldn't he forsee all the pain and misery in world before it was created? Therefore, God would be ultimately responsible for all of it. I mean, if I were about to beget a child knowing beforehand he would be a homicidal maniac, would I not be ultimately responsible for his crimes?
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:15 pm

damien james wrote:
Linn wrote:Being omniscent God could "see" in to the future,
by applying quantum physics.



This is problem I have with veiw of God in Christianity. If God is truly omniscient and all knowing, wouldn't he forsee all the pain and misery in world before it was created? Therefore, God would be ultimately responsible for all of it. I mean, if I were about to beget a child knowing beforehand he would be a homicidal maniac, would I not be ultimately responsible for his crimes?


If you tell me today that you're going to kill someone tomorrow, am I guilty of the murder? No, it is still you who killed, not I. If God does not allow evil to exist, then free will cannot exist. The only way for us to be truly free is to have the power to choose between good and evil. If God only allows us to choose good, then what good is that? We are robots, not people. God does not want a species of robots. If the only reason we do good and love God is simply because evil is not allowed to exist at all, then what good is that? But if we have a choice and choose of our own free will to love God and follow Him, then that is true love indeed. God desires a loving relationship with us, but love can never be forced, it must be a free choice. So if God does not allow evil, then He does not allow love, and the entire purpose of creation falls apart.
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:35 pm

love can never be forced, it must be a free choice. So if God does not allow evil, then He does not allow love, and the entire purpose of creation falls apart.
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I like that explanation, this is true

and life was a gift he gave because of his love,
to give life to other beings to enjoy.

Why do people still keep choosing to have babies
and bring them in to the world when we know how
crappy it can be.
pedophiles and other predators just ready to gobble
them up if they get the chance. :evil:


and God can choose what he wants to look at
My guess is he never even looked in to the future
until after man screwed up and listened to evil,
likewise I give my kids the benefit of the doubt,
when they were growing up, if someone told me,
if you could look in to the future and see what choices
they woud make would you???
What if you did and saw your kid was going to
be a mass murderer? Maybe you could somehow prevent it???
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:27 am

Linn wrote:
What if you did and saw your kid was going to
be a mass murderer? Maybe you could somehow prevent it???


I think God does try to prevent it, in that He tries to convince us to change our minds, but He can never make that decision for us. He's always knocking on the door and it's up to us to let Him in or not. Remember the Hebrews in the desert. They had seen God perform some of the most powerful miracles in history. Plagues, parting the Red Sea, manna falling from the sky, water springing from rocks, etc. And what did they do? Complain. God gave them so much and they complained about everything. That's how so many of us are, we take everything for granted and we don't recognize miracles for what they are.

By the way, this thread should be renamed "Bible Study," since that's basically what it is.
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