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Postby kiekyon » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:51 am

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Postby David George » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:41 am

Linn wrote:google Egyptian history!!

This is weird!
the same thing discussion in Archeology.
I just wrote about this!
Yes, correct:
Shishak was an Egyptian king also known as Sheshonk (1)
from Egyptian records Shishak is regarded as the founder
of the Libyan dynasty, and generaly believed to have ruled
21 years.

according to biblical records,
Shishak invaded Judah in 993 B.C.E. captured
fortified cities and surrender from Jerusalem.
Archeological evidence to support this:
Stele fragment found at megiddo, in commemoration of his
victory, and also a relief on a temple wall at Karnak with the
list of numerous conquered cities, with a considerable number
listed that are located within the territory of the ten-tribe kingdom

The purpose of Shishaks campaign was to gain control of
important trade routes and thus extend Egyptian power.

I didn't read anything in these links yet myself,
but you may find some info in one of these links (in case you dont believe me) :)

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8

You are Correct Linn.He was actually a libyan.Sometimes libyans got control of Egypt.Some scholars say that these plagues were against some
God of Egypt.But there is no God for Lice in Egypt.
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Postby Linn » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:48 am

As I have said...

There exsists an...element
that is trying to subvert the bible
is there any other historical source under attach like this?

and it is the best source that exsists.

AS for the Judas scrolls, alex pointed out it was written three
hundred years later, I was not aware of that (I did watch
the National geographisc special last night but, alas I was
reading archeological info at the same time,
I should never do that. :oops:
Well it will be on again and again. :roll:
But anyways.... even if Judas did write it himself, that would
be his twisted perspective, and at least it does show no
mention of the "crusification"
because Judas committed sucided prior to that,
and thus,
colaborates that.

Actualy some things in this scroll do colaborates with the
gospals, but not on the significant points,
that he was a traitor,
and Jesus would not have condoned that .

would any one ever turn in a beloved member of their family
to a corrupt, and violent government agency for reasons (trumped up charges brought about by people who hated you), namely priests)?
that
you knew they were innocent of?
only two reasons you would: 1.you are evil
2.you are totaly nuts

Although Judas did play a key role in the purpose of Jesus
becoming human to begin with did he not???
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Postby alextemplet » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:02 pm

Why the Bible? Why do so many "scholars" feel the need to try to undermine it? Why don't they try to attack the books of other religions? Wicca for example has a number of beliefs that rely on very little, if any, historical evidence, and the Koran seems to be a lot easier to disprove, historically, than the Bible. Why is the Bible the subject of so much heat?
Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.

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Postby Khaiy » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:19 pm

Perhaps your memory of Christian history is not quite as strong as your grasp of Egyptian history...:wink:

The Christian Church (specifically, the Catholic Church) was hugely powerful in the past politically, and there were quite a number of popes who were... let's say very politcally minded, and maybe not quite so spiritual. On top of that, wars were waged (think of the Crusades), and many people were brutally oppressed (think of the Inquisition). Under the yoke of the Church, it became very popular to hate it. A lot of people still haven't gotten over that, and Bible bashing is still a very popular passtime for people who have a hard time letting things go.
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Postby alextemplet » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:51 pm

Yes, I'm aware of Church history very much, in fact since you mentioned the Crusades the Muslims were as much to blame for that as the Christians. But you're right that the Church hasn't always been as spiritual-minded as it should've been, so maybe that's part of the reason for a lot of the anti-Biblical attitudes around today. But what I don't understand is that every other religion has been just as bad at one point or another, so why not attack them as well?
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Postby Linn » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:35 am

You are Correct Linn.He was actually a libyan.Sometimes libyans got control of Egypt.Some scholars say that these plagues were against some
God of Egypt.But there is no God for Lice in Egypt.
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OMG!!!
we sort of agreed on something.
Its a miracle!!!

just kidding David!! :wink: :P
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Postby Linn » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:47 am

Khaiy wrote:Perhaps your memory of Christian history is not quite as strong as your grasp of Egyptian history...:wink:

The Christian Church (specifically, the Catholic Church) was hugely powerful in the past politically, and there were quite a number of popes who were... let's say very politcally minded, and maybe not quite so spiritual. On top of that, wars were waged (think of the Crusades), and many people were brutally oppressed (think of the Inquisition). Under the yoke of the Church, it became very popular to hate it. A lot of people still haven't gotten over that, and Bible bashing is still a very popular passtime for people who have a hard time letting things go.


khaiy your posts are always so good and insightfull.
Have you seen the movie: The Kingdom of heaven?

One of my daughters favorite movies, of course that the
actors are so handsome helps to.

Well, she finaly got me to watch it, and it really makes
one think about things.
It does bother me that beautifull things can be used
and twisted, and perverted by people,
TRUE PURE christianity is beautifull!

Jesus said whovever lives by the sword dies by the sword.
the crusades was a "slap" in Jesus face. Its just a dam city. :roll:

But the bible is a beautiful book, and one of the best
historical references in exsistence.

BTW where is the author of this forum topic?????
and what are his thoughts on this subjet??
the definition of life?
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Postby damien james » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:11 am

Linn wrote:BTW where is the author of this forum topic?????
and what are his thoughts on this subjet??
the definition of life?


Haha, I think he abandoned his thread.

Christianity ok i guess. Make no difference to me what you believe in. I don't really see any positive or negative that vaults one religion over another. They are all same to me in my eyes. Never really needed definition of what is righteous or unrighteous. Could care less.
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:31 am

How the heck did we get onto this topic anyway? :?
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Postby Linn » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:59 am

alextemplet wrote:How the heck did we get onto this topic anyway? :?

well I sure as hell am not going back and read how.
but lets refresh the original post or abandon it. :?:
but I like our little conversation here,
we are so getting along :( :P
I have some curious Quests but I better search to
see if it was already posted or
mithr )mod) will saysomething like
"use the search, its already been talked about..."
:lol:

OK I am tired, because I
get dumber and silly when I am tired.
:oops: Saying dumber just gave some body sneaking 8)
some fuel for a pm. :oops: 8) oops :!:
who can it be???
goodnight ('oiche mhaith')
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Postby David George » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:51 am

alextemplet wrote:Why the Bible? Why do so many "scholars" feel the need to try to undermine it? Why don't they try to attack the books of other religions? Wicca for example has a number of beliefs that rely on very little, if any, historical evidence, and the Koran seems to be a lot easier to disprove, historically, than the Bible. Why is the Bible the subject of so much heat?

The reason is simple and easy.The developed countries are mostly Chirstian countries[Most people are chirstians],And people living in developed countries have lot of things to see and learn and are also broad minded.Hence they often question things leading to Knowledge and insight of many things.Also many are busy and find less time to concentrate on religion so their children are not blocked by religion and also explore things outside and inside religion. When you see other countries Like Islamic countries the people are loyal to their religion and donot accept other things hence very few people Look outside their religion.It is also the same case to my country no matter which religion.That is the reason I often call myself an odd one out.
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