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Postby David George » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:13 pm

Linn
The ark was 1,400,000 cu ft. I have heard that only 43 kinds
of mammels 74 birds and 10 reptile species could produce the
diversity (you others can call evolution) I would like to know if any
one has an other estimate more or less conservative than this.
(Source unknown at this time I am searching though)
so the ark had ample room to accomadate these animals.
And what ever insects that hitched a ride.


I donot think that the animals that you have listed can evolve in 10,000 years to such a great diversity if you accept evolution.May it was some Bugga Bugga that made it diversify :lol: :lol: .Nice try to defend the bible.Sorry that you donot have many partners to defend you neither do I have[in this topic]I know that Alex would probably try to defend me in other topics.Hey Linn may be you can say that God gave Noah each animals DNA and Noah with the help of God turned them into animals after the flood.That means Noah is the father of Genetics. :lol: :lol: .I think Alex's defence for the Bible was much better than yours he did say that it was just a moral story.Don't get angry with me it was just my opnion in this topic.I am really sorry if my words seems to sting your faith. :(
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:39 pm

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Haha, don't give up Linn. Just because there may be evidence contrary to your belief, does not mean there should be disbelief in God.


I believe in God, but I don't think that requires me to punch holes in modern science. Rather, I believe modern science represents a much more complete description and understanding of God's creation. They are not mutually exclusive; rather I believe they are mutually supporting.

Linn:

Hey nobody really listens to anything on here so why bother any more


I hope that's not the impression you got. I've paid attention to everything you've said and I've considered it; the only reason I still disagree is because I don't believe you have yet presented verifiable evidence to back up what you're claiming. It's nothing against you personally; it's a matter of evidence and truth. I'm sorry if I've offended you, but this is what I believe it all boils down to.
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Postby Linn » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:44 pm

damien james wrote:
Linn wrote:Hey nobody really listens to anything on here so why bother any more


Haha, don't give up Linn. Just because there may be evidence contrary to your belief, does not mean there should be disbelief in God.


I'm not giving up damien
its not that there is evidence contrary to my belief I think I stated before that my "beliefs" are not currently popular. The point is I give references but no one bothers to read them or think abiout any other points becuse they are predudiced in their oppinions because of what has beeen taught to them as facts since grade school. And could they even admit if contrary evidence was presented that there may be something to examine?
Another thing. is has become apparent that no one knows what I believe.

Because they overlook important points I have stated.

I think in the future we will find out more and i believe genetics is the biggest key.
The Government Genome project



If someone sites a reference I do my best to read it and think about it.


Some of my thoughts may be not entirely correct and some of yours.
I think my basic thought is right, however that every thing we see is the product of design. not random self assembly.

We are only able to accomplish what is allowed by the "laws" you call nature. We dont have all the answers as yet.
These laws must be followed in order for things to function with order. If they are not followed there are consequences.

As what happened in Noahs day,

Some scientist laughed at other things in the bible,
and so being closed minded never bothered to test
them.
Those who although did not personaly believe and
yet kept an open mind,
tested to see if these things were possible and
discovered that they were.

We can glean wisdom from the ancients because
they were closer to the origen of the earth and how
things transpired, having been in contact with God directly,
(Or you can call him (Other wordly beings) if you want.

Yes they(humans) :lol: ( I had to come back and add
that cause no one reads context), did not have the modern
tech that we do but they
were probably more intelligent than us.
Reminds me of a saying:

prehistoric times:
I have a headache
Here! Take this herb

early twentieth century:
I have a headache:
Here! take this pill

Present day:
I have a headache;
Here! eat these herbs,
you need enzymes and vitamins.

think of who we learned about aspirin from?

The bible holds many keys if applied scientificaly
they are valid.

Sorry I am just babbling I guess cause
no one is going to listen,
erhaps we should think about evolution like this;
(its the truth)
It is a theory, and theories can be modified can they not?
Or even disprooved. The problem is many scientists have
come to despise the
creator and instead worship the creation.
Funny, but come to think of it,
that was prdicted to happen :wink:

well I have things to study and practice so I have to stop myself from comming on here. I waste a lot of time (like tv wastes time)
I am not a hater though just because you all believe differently. Maybe you are all correct hah??? 8)
so be it you are right and I am wrong.
After all, its taught in school, the same as it was taught to me as a child that the "Indians were BAD and the white/spaniards were good. :roll:

I never believed that one either.
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:20 pm

Linn, I read the links you provided. I found them overly quick to draw conclusions, ignorant of other possible interpretations, and overall scientifcally lacking. I think you're too quick to judge that because we disagree with you means we aren't listening.

I do agree with some things you said, especially about wisdom of the ancients. It's amazing how little some things change, and one thing that remains constant is that people just keep getting stupider and stupider. That said I don't think the ancients had that much going for them as far as scientific knowledge. As for the ancients being closer to the beginning, it's a drop in the ocean compared to how long the universe has been around. I also think it's possible to communicate with God today just directly as Moses or Abraham might have done; I don't think God changes so anything possible back then must surely be possible today.

Well, I hope there's no hard feelings. Have a nice day.
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Postby Linn » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:28 pm

people arnt getting stupider just "Ret-AH-ted" :lol:
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:34 pm

Yeah, and I'm so retarted I can't even spell retarted. :lol: Did I get it righ that time? :?
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Postby damien james » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:54 pm

Linn wrote:
I think in the future we will find out more and i believe genetics is the biggest key.


That is very good point. Today with way we study evolution and trace lineages, it is absolutely imperative to fully understand molecular biology, genetics, proteomics, and biochemistry to their fullest to stay ahead in the world of evolutionary biology. Morphological characteristic and environmental research is still important, but evolution conference I attended at uni pointed out how we are concentrating at molecular level more than any other to understand evolution now that technology is available. The professor showed how jobs relating to evolutionary research are rapidly falling from Darwin's tactics and are focused in the lab and that many zoologist and others are left in cold when it comes to research opportunites related to evolutionary biology because they do not have strong enough background in genetics, molecular analysis and organic chemistry.
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Postby David George » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:45 am

You can never say Darwin was right because times will change and different theories will replace Darwin's theory[Hope it is written by David George and Alex will help me ].You can never tell one thing is always true and surely one day I will soar up like a vulture in the cloud of Mysteries.
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Postby Linn » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:07 pm

alextemplet wrote:Yeah, and I'm so retarted I can't even spell retarted. :lol: Did I get it righ that time? :?


Alex
"ret-AH-ted" is the Boston retarded
remember I said that in an other conversation :?: :?: :?: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby alextemplet » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:43 pm

Yeah, but I'm Cajun, and we feel absolutely no obligation to use proper spelling or grammar in any language. I believe our term would be coyon; I'm not quite sure how that translates but it's probably something close to your Bostonian retahted.
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Postby Linn » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:09 am

around here we also pronounce idea with an r at the end:
idea(r)

And we call liquor stores the "packy"
probably started with prohibition.

eccentric massachusans :lol:

Any way
is any one interested in study of genetics?

I wish I were younger maybe that is what I would study.
for now I may just learn on my own about it.
I find it so interesting.
for example,scientist have found the aging gene
(I read somewhere cant remember)
where, the news or national geo mag...anyways
I did read it

they do not yet know why we should'nt be living indefinetly.

well here is some interesting links if it works.
for reading if any one is interested:

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8
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Postby damien james » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:59 am

Linn wrote:
they do not yet know why we should'nt be living indefinetly.

well here is some interesting links if it works.
for reading if any one is interested:

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8


It is because most autosomal cells do not produce telomerase. Why they do not, is the problem I think.
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