Irrefutable Facts Against Evolution

[Tomn]

I never said Dawkins is an idiot. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Bro, you speak for yourself, not everyone else. No one else made you their speaker.

Debate the facts bro. That is the purpose of this forum. You are trying to stop the debate and intimidate me off of this forum. Im not going anywhere. If its anyone who needs to go, its you who keeps trying to insult people.

Go eat some pie or something.

I would appreciate you could be true to your word, and go bash your head against a rock.

[Tomn]

I would appreciate if debate could return to this thread. Does ANYONE want to debate facts here?

[Gavin]

As I and others have said, debate with ignorant people is futile and not worth our time.

[Tomn]

Go eat pie.

Why are you even here then? If its pointless to debate, you should just get out.

Leave.

You dont belong in a forum designed for debate.

[Gavin]

What's this stuff about pie? Does eating pie represent something bad for creationists? Pie is good, isn't it? OK, I'm not too crazy about rhubarb pie.

[JackBean]

4)This man who narrates this video is simply making things technical. Of course earths orbit is not a circle, but an ellipse. However, this still does not refute the fact that we are in just the right place for liquid water to exist.

You realize, that the circle is quite interesting, because it would mean, that we move these 5% closer and 5% futher from sun? So we should burn and freeze twice a year

Can you explain more your math?

[Tomn]

It really isnt something I'm soming up with, but a response to Gavin's video.

Basically, our present path around the sun aides in the passage of seasons. As we know, the path is elliptical and, at both far ends of the ellipse, we move farther away from the sun. However, this is not what I am referring to.

I will make myself clear with this: If the shape of our current path were expanded or contracted 5%, then we would either freeze or overheat.

I must admit this: I should look up the figure, if there is any, to see if mine compares. I was merely using this as a rebuttal to Gavin's video. In the video, the (presumed) evolutionist is insulting a creationist on his estimate in saying that if we move 5%, we would either burn or freeze. The evolutionists responded to this by saying that the reality of the creationists distance was 35%, or 50 billion meters. He essentially sais that 50 billion meters is 35% of our distance from the sun. 50 billion meters=80 million miles. Our distance from the sun is 92 million miles. 80 million miles is far above the 35%, and far above the distance this planet would need to move in order to overheat or freeze.

As a comparison, I offered the 5% creationists estimate in the video, which was 4.6 million miles. The 5% is not my math, but the one from the video. I was simply bringing clarification where the evolutionist had his math wrong and misinterpreted the 5%.

[Gavin]

The evolutionists responded to this by saying that the reality of the creationists distance was 35%, or 50 billion meters. He essentially sais that 50 billion meters is 35% of our distance from the sun. 50 billion meters=80 million miles. Our distance from the sun is 92 million miles. 80 million miles is far above the 35%, and far above the distance this planet would need to move in order to overheat or freeze.

Tomm, your conversion from the metric went the wrong way. 50 billion metres is about 31 million miles, which is about ⅓ the distance to the sun. By "habitable zone", scientists mean habitable for life, not specifically human life. Bacteria have been found living in hot springs and Antarctic ice.

[JackBean]

Tomn, you do not hesitate to lie about such easily findable thing?
The distance of Earth from Sun differs in accordance to where Earth is, but let's say, it is about 150 000 000 km far away. (I write it fully because of the confusion between American and British billion) How much of it is 35%? The answer is here. How much is it? Ah, yeah, about 50 000 000 km AKA 50 billions meters.

[aptitude]

In addition to what Jackbean has already said:

First of all, the distance between the Earth and Sun has been changing over time: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090331021903AAGTAqk

Second of all, to say that all conditions are perfect for life to exist on Earth is a selection bias. If conditions were not so, then either we wouldn't be around to make such a statement, or life could have evolved to adapt to these conditions. From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle): "Critics argue in favor of a weak anthropic principle (WAP) similar to the one defined by Brandon Carter (see variants), which states that the universe's ostensible fine tuning is the result of selection bias, i.e. in the long term, only survivors can observe and report their location in time and space".

[Ahsmeah]

First I want to start off by reminding you that evolution and Darwinism are two different things, even though Darwinism is based off of evolving. It seemed to me when I was reading your replies, that you may not remember that. I also need to remind you, that evolution is the conclusion of almost all scientific data, and has basically been used to "prove" other theories wrong. No, evolution is not proven, it is based on scientific research. You cannot base a drawing on a tree, and then say that the tree is proof that your drawing exists.. if you get my drift? So technically, Tomn, your attempts to scientifically disprove evolution are in vain, and I say that as a fellow christian. Simply accept that the way to view evolution, is as conclusion of data, and not as a theory people may use to disprove your religion. Thank you for fighting so hard, but really you're just fighting in vain. Must I remind you you're in a thread full of scientists, teachers and experts? You cannot disprove science with science. Don't try it again, alright? The "theory" of evolution adapts, it is not one solid theory. It is based off of (most likely) thousands of other theories.. So even if you disprove a single theory, you still have four thousand, nine hundred and ninety-nine more to go.

Sources? No sources, but look this information up yourself.
-14 year old kid