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Postby Crucible » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:38 pm

JackBean wrote:because the chocolate is sweet, because we like it. I like tonic, so why doesn't brain make it to taste sweet?
because it's not sweet - it's bitter. It only has to taste good. For you, bitter is sweet to taste :lol: though not tasting sugary
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Postby canalon » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:07 pm

I am a bit lost in that discussion. And I would say that crucible is the one generally losing me.

The fact that something taste the way it is is a truly unique experiment for each individual, just as any perception. I cannot share anyone perception. All I can say is that I find that a perception that is common when tasting a number of substances or viewing different objects is named a certain way and we share that. If I remember correctly there was some things done showing that naming things can actually interfere with perception (i.e. people with different grouping of colors :when does blue end and green starts, this kind of thing, had a different perception of the world and would be more aware of some distinctions and less of other). But when it comes to associating emotions (pleasant, not pleasant) there is probably both an innate component (The receptors for bitterness are usually associated with rejection, because alkaloids are usually stimulating those receptors), but this perception can be educated an modifies consciously over time. And I am pretty sure that this interplay between innate and acquired is true for all perception.
With that I am not sure what was my point, but that is Okay, I just read the thread again, and I am not sure there was a point to it anymore....
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Re: Why are flowers "beautiful"?

Postby Crucible » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:11 pm

At least you are recognizing that having receptors is not having a perception. I'm working on Jack to try to get that admitted.
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Postby JackBean » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:42 pm

maybe if you wrote it as canalon said, than OK. But I'm still saying, that chocolate doesn't taste sweet, because we like it, but vice versa.
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Re: Why are flowers "beautiful"?

Postby Crucible » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:01 pm

How about if I give you an example, instead ?

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/322/5901/606.abstract

...increase feelings of interpersonal warmth (or coldness), without the person's awareness of this influence. In study 1, participants who briefly held a cup of hot (versus iced) coffee judged a target person as having a “warmer” personality (generous, caring); in study 2, participants holding a hot (versus cold) therapeutic pad were more likely to choose a gift for a friend instead of for themselves.


But I'm still saying, that chocolate doesn't taste sweet, because we like it, but vice versa.
OK. I am not one who believes that It's necessary to change your opinion. I can only offer the evidence and the reasoning, but if that fails, your case can be abandoned with not too much hardship.

maybe if you wrote it as canalon said
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