The Fiber Disease

[al]

Yes I'm using menthol atm, takes time to restore tissue damage.
Peace to all

[RANDY]

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006 ... 61222.html

Interesting very short article on what Hilde is researching

[Frank N Stein]

Sabrina, and actually everyone else for that matter.

You have once again asked some very good questions. I’ll answer what I can briefly, but the rest may have to wait for a week or so.

I am exactly what I have told you here that I am. I knew when I was only a lurker what Tam Tam was. Many of us in my profession have had him figured out for quite some time.

When I came here, I found a thread that was dominated by a core group that would not allow any expression of ideals outside of what they approved of. Because I do not have access to this phpbb server, I could not see the PMs to determine how many groups dominate, if they were all the Tam scam, or if it was the Tam scam and a clique of thread Nazis. Because it has been my intent to blow this thread open to a point where everyone can discuss their ideals without fear of being attacked, I have considered everyone who attacked me as a single group.

In answer to your question about the lawsuit, if you are not a scammer don’t worry about it. If you are a scammer, be very worried. Anyone who has been psychologically harmed by someone who makes up a science fiction story to compliment a commercial web site is fair game in the legal arena.

I will be absent from this thread for about a week or so. If when I return I see a group that tolerates everyone else’s ideals, and argues with one another by presenting valid data to counter data sets that have been presented by others ( that is to say with respect for one another), then you will see the southern gentleman Frank return. However, should I return and see cowards that work in the shadows of the PM world to set themselves up as little thread dictators, or if I see anyone running a scam, you will see Sergeant First Class Stein return. I prefer the gentleman Frank.

If you want any info on me, there is over fifty pages of it. I have not lied to anyone about who I am, what my intentions are, or what I have found to effective in maintaining this disease in remission.

I sincerely with all of my heart wish peace and healing upon all of you, your houses, and this thread.

Dear London, where are you? I miss you.

Frank N Stein

[Frank N Stein]

Very Important Bump

Never go to a new server unprotected. If you dont have port and registry protection utilities running, you can get them at http://www.tucows.com

This bio-online site has never thrown a flag on my ports, and have proven to me that they are professionals who adhere to industry code of ethics.

Oh yes and there is one other very important thing you need to know about going over to the new Tam Scam forum.

The moderators will have accesss to your IP addresss while you are there regardless of whether you are logged in or not.

The TCP port for HTTP protocol, which is your browser is port 80

Now every ip packet that enters that server will have a header that contains the originating ip address. Once they get the IP, they scan you for open ports. Just think of an open port as an open door on your computer.

If you go there, make damn sure that you have everything but your port 80 shut down with your firewall software.

I'm telling you folks, this is just not the group that you want to have find an open TCP port on your machine.

They probably won't slip you any tracking cookies or spyware from the forum server. That's easy enough to do with their links that they direct you to.

I'll admit that I'm going to have to take a peek, bbut my machine will be locked down on all ports except 80 and capturing all traffic inbound and outbound on that port.

[Maggie Mae]

Well, I guess we've been told, eh!!!! Blessings to you Adolph...and Eva..
And as for the bugs, I disagree and you can redirect all you want to.....I SAW ANTENNA, LEGS, BITS OF FORMED INCOMPLETE BUGS - they were being formed within the lesions, not "landing" on them!!!! You people will try to find a quick cure, which, that's fine, but then try to cover your tracks as to HOW they came about in the first place, which is not fine. In that regard, T2 is accurate and anybody with a brain knows that there are gleanings of truth to what he says about these creations growing in us. Chimera, AND don't forget the probes that go along with them....there will be a time coming soon that we will be cured. Either by ligitamite meds or "some miraculous means", and the real covert perps will be breathing easy for a while....thinking this might just alllll go away. I for one will be very happy but I pray in my heart the full truth gets exposed, the real Nazis get fried, and we get on with our lives. Private investigators are among my close friends, and I too have an ip list where trojans and worms have come from....so back atcha....I will use the frikken public library to access all the sites I care to, including the gm organisms, who got patents on them and who keeps in communication with those Morguses....I see a fear tactic being imposed with regard to research by individuals....didn't have a computer for ever, and still was able to find much information as to what is really going on and you can be sure DARPA and DOE have submitted substantial funding to certain scientists - so - prepare to come about maties, and stay on course, and realize we have got some good information, have made progress, and these low life children of CAIN will go down like the walls of Jericho....people just keep blowing your horns...tell as many people as you can, and as often as you can, as I said, contact all the churches in directories in every city. It is not a waste of time and you will be absolutely dazzled by how FAST this will get to the entire population, and not just the subpopulation...we also have caller id or can get it added and can search out who the strange phone calls are generated by btw, so keep all those phone numbers as well folks....( make a few copies of everything, both printed and on floppies or cd's and give them to safe people that you know or hide them EVERYWHERE - not in your own home if possible....and we will be able to track those as well...WHEN WE FILE OUR CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THEM. Would venture a bet that a lot of us have the same strange phone numbers showing up..... a pain but you will be rewarded for your time well spent....keeps you organized and busy, and focused as well. There are FREE blogsites everywhere....do the math, multiply even one reader telling it to someone else...it doesn't matter right now if we have all the facts correct, what matters is ENOUGH of the locals are made aware that this is taking place and could affect them, too. using fear to save someone from eternal damnation is an act of love because you snatch them from the fire by fear. (Jude 1:23) It is neither loving nor kind not to tell someone that they are standing in the railroad tracks when a train is coming just because they don’t believe in trains.
1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ,

A lesson learned....my dad was very ill for a long time, fighting for ss and his disability...my mom was also clever.....well, the "records" were "lost" and the powers that be, weren't going to do anything till "we" could prove the meds he had been taking and for how long....yada yada....our own local pharmacist had "this fire" or "flood" or something, and he did not have the "records" either...yeah, they got to him tooo... so they were all sitting back like fat a$$ Cheshires with big smiles....but one thing they didn't count on was B A G S full of empty prescription bottles in our attic that had all the required information, as well as dates, proving our case....they had to pay....but it just goes to show what lengths the jerks go to to cta's hoping you all have brains that direct you how to eat and nothing more....use em' for something besides a hat rack...!!! Yeah, the whole thing stinks to the highest heavens....but know that the Lord smells the stench and will protect his own.....that is truth...
Mm

[Maggie Mae]

Well this one must not be all that weak Sabrina. Why don't you go ahead and answer it. Consider it practice for your deposition

Do you have any proof about your theory on tamtam?

I’ll answer that. I have no theory on Tamtam. Tamtam is the one with the theory. Please ask questions that make sense.


Frankie boy, what could anybody possibly get from suing me? My welfare check? My food stamps? They are already trying to take that away any how! This condition took me to rock bottom pal, I’m too ill to hold a job and own absolutely nothing anymore. Not even a damn pot to piss in! So, sue me, see how far you get. Thanks for the laugh though!

Now if your reference to a deposition is meant to be for a criminal court and not civil….
I can back up everything I have ever claimed on this site and everywhere else. So, charge me or stop threatening me.

Have any of you greedy little spammer scum ever wondered if someone has killed themselves because they thought they had insects growing inside them, and didn't want to infect their family?

Chew on that one for a little while you arrogant trash.

Frankie boy, do you know that some people actually do have insects growing inside them? Do you really think that by not addressing this horrific symptom and telling these people that this is not really happening to them will make it all better thus replenishing their will to live? I thought you followed logic? What happened?




Now this one is real good.

I would tell those kid's parents to get a good lawyer and subpoena lunarpages and the "Tam Enterprise."

I would tell them that this thread is archived on both the biology-online.org server, and on several of our machines as well.

I would tell them that if they have suffered any psychological injury from the Tam Scam claim that they have insects growing inside of them, they should have no problem cleaning up.

The only way they can lose is if Tam Tam's claims are valid, in which case they win anyway because they will then know what the source of the infection is.

How's that grab ya scam boy?

Frankie boy, are you aware that people have claimed the insect symptom way before Tam ever addressed it? Obviously you were not around in the NUSPA days. That’s ok, just go to LB and talk with a few sufferers that have this symptom that may not follow Tamtam at all. Perhaps we can sue everyone for such claims???

I now believe that you are just confused and probably scared out of your wits. This is a normal reaction to such a situation. How have I come to this conclusion? Because if you really believe that I am a Tam alias

No I'm not going to take it easy. It's quite easy to see what has happened here. The Tam alias Sabrina was the one who started this thread to begin with. I suppose you thought that this would be a good little draw to your data mining page. I suppose you were right. I suppose it worked for a while didn't it?

No way trash. The word is out. All it;s going to take is one lawyer with a subpoena to take this whole thing down. I'm just wondering if your clients can also he held liable.

Sleep well tonight scum.

(Wow the paranoia! )

then I know for a fact that you cannot be from the GOV, they couldn’t be quite that stupid and certainly have the resources to know I am not. You’re not so smart after all Frankie boy and your resources suck.

How sad it is to have the door slammed in our faces when dealing with something this surreal. Having to sift through what may or may not be legit people and info. If the CDC would just do their job then this thread would have never come in to existence and nobody would ever have heard the name Tamtam.

because they will then know what the source of the infection is.

The CDC has the resources and obligation to help us; they continue to refuse us any help year after year after year. Why do you think this is? We must do what we can with or without them. This is very dangerous but we are all we have and the name of the game is survival.

On that note, I strongly suggest that you reconsider your thoughts on committing suicide if this was what you were insinuating... Your kids are going to need you to help them get through this. Even if they do not show symptoms right now you probably have already infected them so killing yourself will not save them from this condition but only leave them in the dark with no where to turn for help.


My point on this is that even if you did kill yourself for fear of infecting your family, they will inevitably be exposed by a fellow student or boyfriend or girlfriend or only God knows who or what else. Suicide is not the answer and can in no way guarantee that ones family or friends will not become infected. If you really wish to protect your family then the knowledge you gain by personal observation and piecing together information that may connect to your personal condition is the only thing that will help you and them.

and what would you tell the kids with sores on their skin, and yell out "BUGS, BUGS” as they frantically scratch their skin and look at you for answers? better yet what would you have to say to the various state and federal health monitoring agencies who at best are moving at a snails rate on this problem? if anyone does kill themselves out of fear of contagion, it would be logical to blame the likes of the CDC,NIH,CFID, for their lack of vigilance and lack of competency, would it not?

Yes South, I do believe that the agencies that are set up to do this work have failed miserably and should be held accountable for these deaths as well as the past ones. Do you know a good lawyer you can recommend?

Deena, I’m still waiting for the contact information to the one you suggested.

We must pursue this legally and get a valid case going, even Frankie boy agrees. Hay, we might actually all agree on something for once. Now that is what I call uniting. Finally!

We need to sue the God damn CDC!!!!!
Peace,
Sabrina

I agree Sabrina, when ya ain't got nothin' ya got nothin' to lose ~ Dylan
Good one...!

[RANDY]

Maggie,

You know I am Jewish right? An Adolph reference? And when you type so much stuff..people don;t read it all..it si too much to read.

Let us not rant and holy roll..let us be scientific and logical and prove our thesis by logic..ok?

I am not saying what you have or do not have. You need to get someone to prove it like an entimologist that can confirm that your body is producing bugs from within itself and then figure out the mechanism on how it is doing that and get it documented.

You can not clone a bug inside of you by having your body somehow make a bug. That is science fictino and there is not way you are going tobe able to prove it. It will not hold up under scrutiny.

Your body attracts bugs that lite and lay eggs within your lesions that heal over. Nothing more, nothing less.

Most likely bugs are liting on your skin which gets covered in the false skin and the bug eggs hatch and you think your skin is doing this. There is no other sicentific explanation and if you have one, then get it proven.

Can we keep the fire and brimstone down to a minimum and be logical?

That is all I am saying. Scientific proof and not laymans eyes through a cheap microscope.

That is all I am saying. If your body is creating a bug from your DNA then how is that happening? Get someone to prove it.

How do you explain it? It makes no sense and my explanation does.

Think about it. Be logical.

Randy

[RANDY]

You have no legal leg to stand on to sue anyone not until you know what it is and can show damages.

Lets try and keep this site logical like a science site shoule be and not off the wall. Ok?

That would be nice.

[Barz]

Randy, If you can have False Skin, who is to say you cant be producing bugs? I am sure that there are many things going on in the world of science that you and the rest of the world don't know about. Show me a reference on fake skin. Tell me how you got it.

[Maggie Mae]

Barz,
My point....a re-directive...it's that dop diagnosis again, tell the lie long enough, hoping to buy some time...trying to get out of the mess...and notice the concern for suing the CDC...I think that is about the only thing we can do that will stay open for at least a couple of years...it matters not about the facts currently, we will have a legal leg and then can subpoena many many records....that's the main thing, including WHAT programs are involved, (agencies...stalling) and what other foia data we can accumulate...this will be valuable, maybe not in the initial lawsuit but that's not to say there are a lot of other lurkers involved that we may go after later...it is a step step step, capiche....!
Randy, I'm 1/8 Jew myself, my patriarchal grandmother was 1/2 Jew - I hear blacks calling each other n***gers and laughing....it's a figment of speech, dahlingk....has a little more ooooomph then let's say liar, or bad guy, or bs'er, but along those lines.....kinda like "Fornication Under Consent of the King.....words, just words....I've used many analogies in different situations to get the point across....in my own world, no offenses taken; sometimes saying Piss Off is nicer and less meaningful than to say something in pc English that is way more hurtful...and directive. What, are we trying to gather psuedo evidence of possible "hate crimes" give me a break, when I tell my kid I'll break his neck if he gets in my face one more time, I've just been added to some "subversive" list? It all may be going down the tubes but this is still USA and I have a clean record, and tell me ....are they trying to take the word "opinion" and "perrogative" or "assumption" out of the dictionary, too??? Go powder your nose.
Mm

[Frank N Stein]

OK, please allow me to weigh in on the matter of whether we have some type of independent organism growing inside of us.

When I extracted the bright red jelly artifact with the fiber protruding from it that was moving, I was directed to find a university biologist to examine the matter. I did not do this immediately. I was freaked out to no end. I was completely convinced that I had some kind of invasive organism growing inside of me.

I did not seek a biologist immediately. Instead I started becoming Mr. Organic Health Nut. A few months later when I started to feel better, I did contact a human biologist at a university. We corresponded by e-mail and I sent her my pictures.

She told me that without the artifact, she could only tell me what it could have been based upon her experience. She told me that the body has the ability to produce proteins that serve to encapsulate certain bacterium and allergens to protect the body from them. They can take the form of little globs, sacks, cysts, and sometimes protein fibers. She told me that there is a phenomenon that they see in the lab sometimes, that when the fibers or globs begin to dry out and decompose when exposed to the open air, they begin to move as they decompose, and lose liquid mass. She stated that although she could not rule out that I had witnessed a living organism, in her opinion she felt that I was witnessing this phenomenon that has a name about as long as my arm. (I said arm al, no jokes please).

Now here is my position on this matter. I’ll just be damned if I know. I am clueless. For those of you who wish to believe that there are living organisms invading us, I respect your opinion and do not challenge you at all.

I just need a little more proof, and ask you to respect that.

[mfromcanada]

FrankNStein, Al, Randy: Do you people have a CV that looks like Dr. Nicolson's? Do the people you are talking to have a CV that looks like his? If you want to know what my gripe was just check back on page 544 of this forum. Were you discussing the Fiber Disease at all. I come here to learn about the infliction that I suffer from, not to listen to a bunch of people insult each other back and forth. Also, since I am not a spammer, I do not sit on this board 24 hours a day. I hope everyone on this form can stick to the topic.

On August 21,2006 I sent a link to tamtams videos to Dr. Garth Nicolson who I believe in whole heartededly. He responded by saying "I have seen the video (from several sources), and I agree the contents are disturbing. I had thought all along that genetic engineering must be involved because of the properties of insect, bacteria, fungi and parasites present in this type of infection. I know of nothing like this in nature--not even close. Prof. Nicolson"
His partial CV is attached. I don't know whom Randy spoke with regarding tamtams videos and it does not matter to me because I trust Dr. Nicolson. I am not a biologist but by following his advice rather than any other doctors I have seen I have a least had some temporary relief from doxycycline. I would also like to state that I think tamtams videos show an outstanding display of what is infecting us and I have not seen anyone else produce anything like it. I would like to thank tamtam from the bottom of my heart for producing and publishing them. I suspect he actually knows who has created this and he is worried about his own safety. I am aware that fear can be a great motivator and I am also aware that governments use fear to promote their own desires such as war. I am glad to have this forum to voice my opinion and welcome any criticism. I am wary of people who have good intentions but because of their own stupidity actually do more harm than good. I would rather have proof before I waste a lot of time, money and energy running around in circles with people I can't whole heartedly support.


Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.
gnicolson_at_immed.org

Ph.D. Biochemistry/Cell Biology, University of California San Diego (1970); B.S. Chemistry, University of California Los Angeles (1965)
Founded IMM 1996

Dr. Nicolson is the President, Chief Scientific Officer and a Research Professor at the Institute for Molecular Medicine. He has over 550 scientific and medical publications, several of which are citation classics. He holds 9 U.S. patents. Formerly he was the David Bruton Jr. Chair in Cancer Research, Professor and Chairman, Dept. of Tumor Biology at the University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, and he has held various other professorships including Professor of Internal Medicine and Professor of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston and Professor of Comparative Pathology at Texas A & M University. He serves as Editor of two journals ( Clinical & Experimental Metastasis and Journal of Cellular Biochemistry ) and as an Associate Editor of 12 other medical/scientific journals. Dr. Nicolson has held several memberships of advisory and review committees and is currently a member of national and international committees in cancer research and other scientific programs. Besides many other awards, he was honored with the Stephen Paget Award of the Metastasis Research Society, the Outstanding Investigator Award of the National Cancer Institute and the Albert Schweitzer Award in 1998. He is member of various scientific societies and held offices in the American Association for Cancer Research and Metastasis Research Society. Under his supervision 36 postdoctoral fellowships and 17 Ph.D. theses were performed. Dr. Nicolson's interests are in the biochemistry and molecular genetics of cancer progression with particular interests in the areas of metastasis or spread of cancer, paracrine growth factors and invasion enzymes. He is a Colonel (Honorary) of the U. S. Army Special Forces and a U. S. Navy SEAL (Honorary) for his work on Armed Forces and veterans' illnesses. He is also engaged in research on the role of chronic infections in a variety of chronic illnesses, such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Gulf War Illness and various autoimmune diseases.