The Fiber Disease

[Foxy Lady]

On rense.com there is an mp3 file where Rense interviews Drs. Staninger and Karfoo (sp?), both well-credentialed researchers, talk about Morgellons research. During this, talking about where the samples examined came from, it is mentioned that one set of 'blind' samples came from...........chemtrails.

Now if you think about it, it could be in the air. It could be in grey water. Or clean water. But what could cause all of that? Chemtrails.I.e. spraying from high in the air.

Jan Smith features in this .mp3. She talks about running round taking samples from everywhere with scotch tape. Same thing applies. Aerial spraying.

FL

[tamtam]

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[hartuk]

Tam Tam

Yes it is my right eye
The Lacrimal gland on my upper lid is swollen. Slightly purple
Both corners have what appear to be stitches over the lid and into the eye.
A lot of previous irritation.
In answer to your last question...Yes.
But they still can not see this in the eye hospital. I have tried for two days to direct them to my upper lid but they can not make the connection...

A question : would Praziquantel affect this form ?

hartuk

[ukguy]

Fooling around with US? Please speak for yourself. Nobody can fool around with you as long as you allow that to happen. You are not a victim of Tamtam.

DS wrote:
TamTam, Perhaps my question was overlooked. How exactly were you able to isolate this microorganism? What medium did you use, and from what or where did you acquire the samples to isolate this microorganism from? This isolation needs to be replicated, so please share this information as to save time and energy.

Sabrina, I think DS asked a fair question there. TamTam has
consistently avoided answering this and many others like it.

Does he owe people an answer? No.

But most people will not believe information presented to them
from an unknown source unless they are able to question it and
receive satisfactory answers right?

How are you Sabrina?

Mr Hart

Very sorry to hear of your continued eye problems.
Have they confirmed Pythiosis insidiosi or is this what most closely
resembles your symptoms?

There was a poster on Lymbusters some months back reporting
similar problems with their eyes. I did a search on Lbusters but
couldn't find it. I'll make a post there and see if anyone can
remember....

Take care..
Ukguy

[tamtam]

What I know is that if they point the slit lamp to the corners of the eye they may be able to see a brownish infiltrate.
Brownish infiltrates are consistent with a protothecosis like infection. What the organism does is that it attempts to replace tissue - also behind the eye.

You could try to emphasize that often no organisms are found. This type condition is well known by dogs.

Did you experience a sudden onset of floaters or blurred vision?

[Skytroll]

On Rense tonight, also.

Dr. Staninger and Dr. K. are studying this very intently, and found that the clear and/or white fiber is motile, the red and blue are not.
If you listen closely, he is taking samples for free, and if you can see him, you can go to the clinic for free.

If you want more information, it is listed under LB board.

Dr. Wymore has not found this yet, but, he comes from a different angle,

Does not mean any are wrong, plus whatever study was done in Florida is being looked at seriously. Randy do you know if that study is posted anywhere?

I would appreciate the link if you would be so kind as to post.

Enough running around the bush, the estuary and dodging the chemtrails.

Hartuk,

that one that effects frogs, could have something to do with swamp areas, estuaries, any water areas. The phytoplankton most likey killed by the motile fibers, and or protists. Would also kill frogs and amphibians, they have soft skin, like us.

Our Great Lakes are becoming near dead zones, the Epa has not cleaned up any areas, nor has the Regional done anything.

I think more concentrated study on DNR, Conservation and other will reveal what is going on in the environment. Will look further into that area.

Here is a piece on amphibian skin:
Comparison of reactions to skin grafts in green frogs: Rana lessonae cam., R. esculenta L. and R. ridibunda pall.Semik D.
Adult, field-collected green frogs, Rana lessonae and R. ridibunda, and their interspecific hybrid R. esculenta were tested with skin grafts at 22 +/- 2 degrees C. Two types of reactions to grafts were observed. 1) Median survival time (MST) was about 25 days, which was observed in R. lessonae hosts in response to allogeneic stimuli and to skin grafts from R. esculenta, and R. esculenta hybrids given grafts from the parental species. 2) MST was equal to or longer than 30 days, which was observed in the case of grafts among R. esculenta, and in R. ridibunda hosts given grafts from R. esculenta and R. lessonae. It seems that a high histocompatibility allele polymorphism occurs in R. lessonae even within one population, whereas lower polymorphism and/or reduced immunological reactivity occurs in R. ridibunda.

PMID: 6367697 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
histocompatibility allele polymorphism is a complex that I believe is related. More on that later.........

The symbiosis between algae and bacteria, protozoa, protists, where the prokayrote invades the eukaryote, is where the novel organism is living and killing in wildlife, I believe.

The fires out West, metals in the chemtrails, have thought this a long time.
The metals, nanoparticles, when heated by sun, will burn what is dry.
So, nanoparticles with organic and metals, will alter the landscape.
Agenda 21 will educate you. But, it is slick.

I think it began with Buckyballs, fullerene, carbon sequestration. Silicon is not supposed to be used now in nano materials.

And, silicon is was/is used as coating on biomaterials, genes, etc.

Try to listen to program tonight.

Skytroll

[tamtam]

Comprehensive articles about quorum sensing as earlier mentioned;

"As recently as the late '90s, the National Institutes of Health routinely rejected Bassler's grant applications, politely suggesting that she apply again to a different committee the following year"

Another interesting way to communicate:

"These guys know self and other, friend and foe, and have been doing biological warfare for over a million years."

Wired 11.04: The Bacteria Whisperer
He assumed that quorum sensing was limited to the marine microbes he was studying. ... Quorum sensing has profound implications in the war against disease. ...
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.04/quorum_pr.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

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The presence of a second, seemingly redundant apparatus for quorum sensing in Pseudomonas bacteria "makes us wonder if something else also is going on," Winans said

Quorum-sensing bacteria discovery
Molecular structure is solved for key protein of quorum-sensing bacteria ... The work is reported by researchers at Cornell, Argonne National Laboratory and ...
http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/ 02/7.11.02/quorum-sensing.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

[Foxy Lady]

Tam Tam

Yes it is my right eye
The Lacrimal gland on my upper lid is swollen. Slightly purple
Both corners have what appear to be stitches over the lid and into the eye.
A lot of previous irritation.
In answer to your last question...Yes.
But they still can not see this in the eye hospital. I have tried for two days to direct them to my upper lid but they can not make the connection...

A question : would Praziquantel affect this form ?

hartuk

Err, escuse me, hartuk, but lacrimal gland = tear duct and the tear duct, unless your eyes are weird, is where your tears come from, i.e. the small hole at the lower inner corner of each eye. So what do you mean by "lacrimal gland on upper lid"?

And, temtam, please, can't you use layman's language?

FL

[Foxy Lady]

"Quorum" in tamtam's "quotum sensing" is the same as with any Robertson's Rules meeting, under which a quorum is enough people to make the meeting legitimate. "Quorum sensing" merely means a particular organism being able to recognise the same organisms.

Is that correct, temtam?

FL

[mfromcanada]

What I know is that if they point the slit lamp to the corners of the eye they may be able to see a brownish infiltrate.
Brownish infiltrates are consistent with a protothecosis like infection. What the organism does is that it attempts to replace tissue - also behind the eye.

You could try to emphasize that often no organisms are found. This type condition is well known by dogs.

Did you experience a sudden onset of floaters or blurred vision?

Tamtam, Do I understand you correctly? Are you saying that the microorganism discussed as fiber disease is attempting to replace our tissue? Like it is destroying our muscles etc. and replacing them with the dead fiber material. If this is the case it could explaing why one must keep moving in order to retain mobility. Many people suffering from this who also have been diagnosed with fibroymalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, gulf war syndrome, etc. have difficulty with muscle strength and mobility.

[mfromcanada]

Microchip and fiber disease. I read somewhere yesterday on the internet that they experimented on service people during the first Gulf War with implanted chips such as those that they want to use in the future for identification and diagnosis. Has anyone researched the possibility that the microorganism might be a microchip experiment gone wrong? Are there any service people on this board who may have been microchipped. Perhaps they were able to put it into vaccines. I had a lot of vaccines, during trips to sunny places and also for the flu.

[hartuk]

Foxy Lady,

Check Wikkipedia before posting.

Google "lacrimal glands". It's top of the list. Go to this page.

Observe the diagram carefully and you will see exactly where it is located above the upper lid.

You don't suffer from disease this do you?

hartuk