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Postby London » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:35 pm

Tam Tam,

Is there a reason you lied to us when you said that Ypenburg was in Texas? In fact, you said it was only about a mile from Lackland I believe.

Honey, that place in the Netherlands.
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Dear all:

Here is something new I learned today-it relates to just how far spread Lyme disease is. I mean, c'mon.....it is now in our pets....Maybe it's me-I dunno, but I feel I have been kept in the dark.....Possibly you all were aware of this. Here you go:

LYME DISEASE

Lyme disease has become a serious public health threat in the U.S. The disease has now spread to 46 states. A few years ago, it was practically unknown outside a few locations in the Northeast. The disease has received considerable attention as a potential threat to human health. However, little notice has been taken of the disease in animals. Its prevention, detection, clinical signs and treatment in dogs, horses, cats, and farm animals are similar in many respect to those in humans. Yet there are some important differences to be aware of to keep your animals healthy.



Detecting Lyme Disease in Pets

Testing annually (between April-December) is ESSENTIAL for diagnosis of Lyme disease. The disease can become advanced in some animals before signs are evident. In addition, the signs in animals and man mimic many other conditions such as arthritis, heart disease and flu. In dogs there may be sudden acute lameness, fever, swelling of joints and loss of appetite. Horses may exhibit some of the same signs plus weight loss. Cats appear to contract Lyme less frequently than many other species. When they do, cats may sleep excessively, become feverish, appear arthritic or lame, and stop eating. The most common condition in all species - pain and swelling of joints - causes the animal to move as if it is 'walking on eggs.'
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Postby London » Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:01 pm

Tam Tam,

let me reprase that.....you may or may not have lied. sorry- it is quite possible that you could have made a typo, yet I have asked you this before and you never explained it.

Anyway, sorry- don't know the reasoning there and should not have made presumptions.
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This is to a person that wrote to me 11 months ago when I joined the forums......they knew I was from texas- they wrote and said......

hi,,,,,do you know where Leveretts chappel, Texas is located? I said, yes- I remember going to Kindergarten there......."

that was the extent of that conversation.....never saw that person again on the boards......

But if indeed they still read the boards, I like to say Hi, Yeah, I think I know who you are....you still in Overton?
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Postby London » Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:14 pm

Now Tam Tam (and everyone else be aware.).....you give out the hints.

It is you that give out the riddles. You entice us to follow you. So, I do.

Is this what you mean when you talk of stockpiling and your other riddles?
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Bursting onto the scene

Since their discovery =25 years ago, y-ray bursts have
remained one of the most mysterious phenomena in
modern astronomy. The detection of counterparts to
the y-ray sources at other wavelengths has been seen
as the key to understanding their nature, but intensive
searches have proved fruitless. But now comes what
mightbe the breakthrough astronomers have been
waiting for. A transient optical source has been
detected in the vicinity of the burst GRB970228 less
than =21 hours after the burst. It seems to be associated
with a faint galaxy, consistent with y-ray bursts being
located at 'cosmological' distances, and arguing
against suggestions that they might originate within
our Galaxy.

Watching the stockpile

The =US government is proposing to spend =$4 billion a
year to maintain the safety and reliability of its
nuclear weapons, and the competence of its weapons
scientists, in the absence of nuclear tests. In this
week's Commentary =RayKidder, a physicist with =35
years of experience designing nuclear weapons, takes a
critical look at the planned 'stockpile stewardship'
programme and finds it misguided in a number of
ways.
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Now, if you do not want us to post such things as the above....why the hell
do you throw out those riddles?

and TAM TAM, do you know what this is or not? South said you don't. You say you do.....

and if you do, since you are friiends with Mary from MRF and she has a sick child with the fibers, why don't you tell her what it is?

I just don't get you people sometimes.......I'm shutting my mouth on what I know and the above posting was not part of what I know. I mean, it is now....since you threw out new riddles.

but sometimes....I just don't get it.....
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Postby Skytroll » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:57 am

Tam Tam,

You mentioned the lates 60s, target from the USSR, and constant cases.

Now, I see here where many animals were experimented with in the 60s prior to Aids, then later the one that affects cats is cancerous.
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"In the fall of 1986, the Soviets shocked the world by claiming that HIV was secretly developed at Fort Detrick, the U.S. Army's biological warfare unit. Although the claim was dismissed as "infectious propaganda," Russian scientists had worked hand in hand with biological warfare scientists in the transfer of viruses and virus-infected tissue into various non-human primates (monkeys, apes, chimps) during the 1970s, before AIDS appeared. With improved international relationships, the Russian accusation vanished.


Although evidence supporting the man-made theory has never been mentioned in the major U.S. media, the theory continues to be ridiculed. For example, in the San Francisco Chronicle, ("Quest for the Origin of AIDS," January 14, 2001), William Carlsen writes: "In the early years of the AIDS epidemic, theories attempting to explain the origin of the disease ranged from the comic to the bizarre: a deadly germ escaped from a secret CIA laboratory; God sent the plague down to punish homosexuals and drug addicts; it came from outer space, riding on the tail of a comet."

AIDS certainly did not come from the hand of God or from outer space. However, there is ample evidence to suspect the hand of man in the outbreak of AIDS that first began in the late 1970s in New York City.


Creating AIDS in animals before the epidemic
Lost in the history of AIDS is evidence pointing to HIV as a virus whose origin traces back to animal cancer retrovirus experimentation in the "pre-AIDS" years of the 1960s and 70s. Evidence linking the introduction of HIV into gays and blacks via vaccine experiments and programs in the late 1970s has been totally ignored in favor of the politically correct theory claiming that HIV originated in chimpanzees in the African rain forest, and that HIV "jumped species" into the African population around 1930 or even earlier.

Conveniently overlooked is the series of outbreaks of AIDS-like epidemics that broke out in U.S. primate centers, beginning in 1969. A decade before AIDS, the first of five recorded epidemics of "simian AIDS" erupted in a colony of stump-tailed macaques housed in a primate lab at Davis, California. Most of the macaques died. Two types of primate immunodeficiency viruses were eventually discovered as the cause. A few silently infected monkeys transferred to the primate colony at Yerkes in Atlanta subsequently died of simian AIDS in the late 1980s. Veterinarians claim the origin of the simian AIDS outbreak is unknown. However, one obvious possibility is the experimental transfer of viruses between various primate species, which is common practice in animal laboratories.

In 1974, veterinarians actually created an AIDS-like disease when newborn chimps were removed from their mothers and weaned exclusively on virus-infected milk from cows infected with "bovine C-type virus." Within a year the chimps died of leukemia and pneumocystis pneumonia (the "gay pneumonia" of AIDS). Both diseases had never been observed in chimps before this virus-transfer experiment.

Also downplayed is the laboratory creation of feline leukemia and "cat AIDS" by the transfer of HIV-like cat retroviruses in the mid-1970s. These experiments were conducted at Harvard by Myron (Max) Essex, later to become a famous AIDS researcher. All this man-made creation of AIDS in laboratory animals directly preceded the "mysterious" 1979 introduction of HIV into gay men, the most hated minority in America.

Nowadays, scientists hunt for "ancestor" viruses of HIV in chimps in the African wild and ignore all the immunosuppressive viruses that were created in virus laboratories shortly before AIDS. No consideration is given to any of these lab viruses as possible man-made ancestors of the many "strains" of HIV (and HIV-2) that jumped species to produce AIDS in humans.

Gay experiments preceding AIDS (1978-1981)
Scientists also discount any connection between the official outbreak of AIDS in 1981 and the experimental hepatitis B vaccine program (1978-1981) at the New York Blood Center in Manhattan, which used gays as guinea pigs shortly before the epidemic. Curiously, the exact origin of AIDS in the United States remains unstudied. Health authorities simply blame promiscuous gay men, but never adequately explain how a black heterosexual African disease could have transformed itself exclusively into a white young gay male disease in Manhattan.

Researchers claim HIV incubated in Africa for more than a half century until AIDS broke out there in 1982. However, in the U.S. there was no incubation period for gay men. As soon as homosexuals signed up as guinea pigs for government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments, they began to die with a strange virus of unknown origin. The hepatitis B experiments began in Manhattan in the fall of 1978; the first few cases of AIDS (all young gays from Manhattan) were reported to the CDC in 1979.

Scientists have also failed to explain how a brand new herpes virus was also introduced exclusively into gays, along with HIV, in the late 1970s. This herpes virus is now believed to be the cause of Kaposi's sarcoma, the so-called "gay cancer" of AIDS. Before AIDS, Kaposi's sarcoma was never seen in healthy young men. Identified a decade after HIV, in 1994, this KS virus is closely related to a primate cancer-causing herpes virus extensively studied and transferred in animal laboratories in the decade before AIDS.

Also downplayed to the public is a new microbe (Mycoplasma penetrans), also of unknown origin, that was introduced into homosexuals, along with HIV and the new herpes virus. Thus, not one but three new infectious agents were inexplicably transferred into the gay population at the start of the epidemic - HIV, the herpes KS virus, and M. penetrans.
In his book, Virus [2000], Luc Montagnier (the French virologist who co-discovered HIV) blames promiscuous American gay tourists for bringing this new mycoplasma to Africa, and for bringing back HIV. He provides no evidence for this homophobic theory. Nor does he mention the various mycoplasmas that were passed around in the 1970s in scientific labs, and the fact that these microbes were frequent contaminants in virus cultures and vaccines.

Why are all these simultaneous introductions of new infectious agents into gay men ignored by scientists? Surely a credible explanation would be important in determining the origin of HIV and AIDS. Why are scientists so opposed to the man-made theory? And why do they believe so passionately in the chimp theory? One explanation might be that scientists don't want the public to know what happened to the tens of thousands of imported primates who were held captive in laboratories throughout the world in the decade before AIDS........

.......The forgotten Special Virus Cancer Program (1964-1977)
Rarely mentioned by AIDS scientists and media reporters is the fact that surgeons have been transplanting chimpanzee parts (and chimp viruses) into people for decades. When Keith Reemtsma died in June 2000, at age 74, he was hailed as a pioneer in cross-species organ transplants (now known as xenotransplantation). By 1964, he had already placed six chimpanzee kidneys into six patients. All his patients died, but eventually Reemtsma succeeded in many human-to-human organ transplants.

The largely forgotten Special Virus Cancer Program (SVCP) is much more likely to have spread primate (chimp and monkey) viruses to human beings. This research program was responsible for the development, production, seeding, and deployment of various animal cancer and immunosuppressive AIDS-like viruses and retroviruses. These laboratory-created viruses were capable of inducing disease when transferred between animal species and also when transplanted into human cells and tissue.

The SVCP began in 1964 as a government-funded program of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in Bethesda, Maryland. Originally designed to study leukemia, the program was soon enlarged to study all forms of cancer. The scope of the program was international and included scientists from Japan, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Israel, and Africa. The mission of the SVCP was to collect various human and animal cancers from around the world and to grow large amounts of cancer-causing viruses. As a result, thousands of liters of dangerous man-made viruses were adapted to human cells and shipped around the world to various laboratories. The annual reports of the SVCP contain proof that species jumping of animal viruses was a common occurrence in labs a decade before AIDS.

The SVCP gathered together the nation's top virologists, biochemists, immunologists, molecular biologists, and epidemiologists to determine the role of viruses and retroviruses in the production of human cancer. Many of the most prestigious medical institutions were involved in this program.

Connected with the SVCP were the most famous future American AIDS scientists, such as Robert Gallo (the co-discoverer of HIV), Max Essex of "cat AIDS" fame, and Peter Duesberg, who claims HIV does not cause AIDS. Gallo and Essex were also the first to promote the widely accepted African green monkey theory of AIDS. This theory was proven erroneous as far back as 1988, but was heavily circulated among AIDS educators and the media until the theory was superseded by the chimp theory in the late 1990s.



And the lies beat on...........


Source: http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/blaming.html

Link to Netherlands:"The scope of the program was international and included scientists from Japan, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Israel, and Africa"

the other thing about cancer is and I have heard in the 80s there were cats dying of aids, that was the cancerous aids, I bet?

Garth Nicholson was involved in the creation of this at the big S.......
Where the mycoplasma is indicated.......along with Gallo and Essex.

So, adding sarin to that would go straight to the nerves, am I right, Tam TAm?

I bet some of the first evo devo was used.

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Postby London » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:39 am

skytroll,

Man, that was good. I've got to go read it again. Do you think this could be HIV too?

I dunno. When I said I knew what it was.....I was not talking anything at all about aids, nor HIV. I just brought that up other day b/c of my left forearm with these purplish-looking plaques all over it. They have been on me since November> that's 7 months now.

And....I would've never suspected that anyway if it would not have been for that new article I just read on sunday. (Leishmaniasis in Canines) It said that it could cause HIV.

So, tonight, I go and unfortuanately find this sucker here:



Review: HIV infection and tropical parasitic diseases – deleterious interactions in both directions?
Gundel Harms1 & Hermann Feldmeier2
HIV and parasitic infections interact and affect each other mutually. Whereas HIV infection may alter the natural history of parasitic diseases, impede rapid diagnosis or reduce the efficacy of antiparasitic treatment, parasitoses may facilitate the infection with HIV as well as the progression from asymptomatic infection to AIDS. We review data on known interactions for malaria, leishmaniasis, Human African Trypanosomiasis, Chagas' disease, onchocerciasis, lymphatic filariasis, schistosomiasis and intestinal helminthiases. The common immunopathogenetic basis for the deleterious effects parasitic diseases may have on the natural history of HIV infection seems to be a particular type of chronic immune activation and a preferential activation of the T helper (Th)2 type of help. Control of parasitic diseases should complement the tools currently used in combating the HIV pandemic.

***********NOW WHAT???? i'M SO SCARED! PLEASE SKYTROLL, TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK??????

TO ALL: NO, I'M NOT RENEGGING ON MY WORD> THIS IS NOT THE DISEASE AT ALL THAT I SAID i KNEW.....SO YOU CAN'T COME AND GET ME FOR THIS ONE. I'M JUST FRIGGIN SCARED OF THE ABOVE ARTICE.
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Postby Skytroll » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:38 am

London,

What I am wondering is how do HIV or AIDs patients become more apt to get those types of disease, unless they are given to them, in say drugs, in the disease itself? Maybe there are variations of this.

All those parasitic diseases need a fly don't they or a vector of some sort. So, why would they be more apt to get parasites along with the aids?

Now, I know Aids was manmade, otherwise, we don't have those parasites here, we are told. But, the parasites are affiliated with HIV and/or AIDS.
How is that? We need to find the original blueprint and then look for what was added, and what other genetic dispositions of populations will be targeted this time. Rereleased in 2000? with no doubt genetic alterations in delivery systems, so as to be undetected. Well, the Rockefellers were looking for a way to deplete the overall population without any evidence in plain sight. This would be one way to do it. It began in New York.

But, the original monkeys were at Davis, Ca.
UC at Davis, thought so. Also some were sent to Atlanta, GA. MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Monkeys do not get Aids. These were injected with the virus.

Don't you think many are laying Aids on the line of Lymes Disease.

Let's find the original construct of Aids. I can bet you that genoming just refined it to include all kinds of things. Taking nerves out would be one aim. Genetic specific. Notice that Aids/HIV is called a pandemic. Added to that is this second round of inconspicuos parasites that cannot be labeled, or if they are we will have a pandemic of parasites, and the pharma to follow. Just like the Aids coctails. A multitude of drugs.

I prefer to go Natural as long as possible. We have no ideas what they are putting in the new drugs, do we? Those genomed parasites could have been put in the Aids coctails. Just add water.

So, I would calm down, and get the tests, as you said. I had one. Didn't show anything, but, that was before 2000. So, it seems Western Medicine knows all about this, in fact NIH probably funded the genoming, genetic alteration of it all.

CDC acts like they don't know a thing. And that we know is pure BS. Have our numbers now. But,
we got them too, because we know this is not the only thing they think they can pull off.

Time will tell, but, now the tests for Aids will disappear just like the tests for Lymes. Aids overtook Lymes. It is a way to purify the human race. Alzheimers, is probably a form of Aids. MS, Schlerosing, the oncho that the Carter Administration tried to erradicate in Africa, but, failed, because it too was realated to Aids, one can surmise many things here, but, until we see the whole picture, we will keep floundering around like the zebra fish mutes, or c. elegans, or the fruitfly mutes, or the mouse gene inserted into the fruitfly, or any of the homeobox genes used indiscriminetly between those like genes in the human.


So, if they are associated with Aids, I bet they were part of the construct with the mycoplasma.

I would think that Garth Nicholson would have a lot to say about that. He has been given a reprieve by our govt. even though, I am sure he is trying to cover his tracks. And Gallo and Essex?

Where are they? The source code would come from them Tam Tam.

Or does the above mean that parasites will be used to rid the person of AIDS? mmmmmmmmmmmm

Hang in there London, and do not let fear take over because we know of what can be accomplished and what has, so far, the rest is considered unclassified information. And, that will stay that way until we get a president who cares more about the people than himself. Oh, he will like himself for who he really is, a real true honest humanitarian whose main goal as president would be to work with the people with no pretense, no agenda other than to actually hear them.

There is one out there, I am sure, I have heard him. But, I will mention no names.

God be with you till we meet again, my friend,



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Postby London » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:05 am

Thanks sky, I still must go back and now re-read your post again.

I'm not in fear anymore....well, I am, but it is from possibly having HIV.
I get my test results back Friday. Of course, it will be negative. But.....

I know to look at the cr4 count. If it's below 400; i not only have HIV, but Aids.

Did you know that there is now an HIV that does not respond to treatment? Yep, that's a fact. Also, I think it may be called the HIVLT? but I'm not sure.....tomorrow I will go back and read up on the stuff you suggest.

Thanks for your concern. Again, I'm not going to live in fear. And I'm not going to live being harassed. They leave me the F alone; I will do the same. If they kill me.....well, they will see how quick this stays under cover. Their choice.....and i'm talking first and last names here.....

maybe they granted me a reprieve too?? ha; they hate my guts and the feelings is mutual. Plus, if I have HIV-I 'd rather take a bullet.

Now, sky, use your noggin....you mentioned something before on that
L.B. site.....think....it was some type of bacteria....

Also, you mention fly. I'm not saying anything about insects but this....

for one to have leishmaniasis>>>>>ONE MUST HAVE TO BE BIT BY A VECTOR......it's not communicable. But....I've always thought it was because the HIV persons immunity is zilch that these freako organisms are able to penetrate......If there is more to it....hey, I think I see what you are saying? right? that's a good question....hmmmm> maybe they use remote control....(I'm kidding....kind of)

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Postby London » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:14 am

skytroll,

Remember, we have parasitic plants as well. This stuff has to live in the gut of some other vector, eh? go back 4-5 pages where I wrote to some scientist at Arizona....i posted my email to her....it's near the bottom. anyhoo, it says something like this in her brief write-up I posted.
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Postby London » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:16 am

Crud! Skytroll, duhhhhhh hey, we can't forget .....the bacteriophage!!

This is how; it's got to be how it's done.....think of it as a big-A spider...

yeah, think of it in your head like that...
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Postby 123Herpatology » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:26 am

Dear Sabrina,
Thank you for responding to my thread, I could not help but notice your diction however in stating "welcome to biology-online," I am not a new member to this site so I just want to clear that up first. Secondly, I was not accusing anyone of anything, the words I myself posted were directly pasted from a Wikipedia.org edit in which claimed that Morgellons Disease was an internet hoax. In my own opinion though, I have not reached a conclusion strong enough to say that the disease is fake, nor do i believe i can strongly say that it is real. I'm not sure where to begin about what you said concerning the federal crime. This is a publicly open thread, I do not believe i violated any law at all. I purely am confused by this disease and took liberty on my own free-time to understand the roots and find some credible intelligence on such a topic. So far I have found none, If anyone can please reply back to me about Morgellons disease and site some reputable (preferably non-internet) sources proving that such a disease exists that would be apreciated. What I do not apreciate is someone creating a post warning me not to embarrass myself because of such a flimsy post, I am sure the moderators can back me up on the fact that just because I am not fully informed on a subject, I should not be told I will embarress myself.

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Postby Linn » Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:38 pm

123Herpatology wrote:Dear Sabrina,
Thank you for responding to my thread, I could not help but notice your diction however in stating "welcome to biology-online," I am not a new member to this site so I just want to clear that up first. Secondly, I was not accusing anyone of anything, the words I myself posted were directly pasted from a Wikipedia.org edit in which claimed that Morgellons Disease was an internet hoax. In my own opinion though, I have not reached a conclusion strong enough to say that the disease is fake, nor do i believe i can strongly say that it is real. I'm not sure where to begin about what you said concerning the federal crime. This is a publicly open thread, I do not believe i violated any law at all. I purely am confused by this disease and took liberty on my own free-time to understand the roots and find some credible intelligence on such a topic. So far I have found none, If anyone can please reply back to me about Morgellons disease and site some reputable (preferably non-internet) sources proving that such a disease exists that would be apreciated. What I do not apreciate is someone creating a post warning me not to embarrass myself because of such a flimsy post, I am sure the moderators can back me up on the fact that just because I am not fully informed on a subject, I should not be told I will embarress myself.

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hi ryan, hope you dont mind if I jump in bit. :)

This is NOT a recognized disease. It is not described in any books or case histories. It has not even been investigated. LIke many other diseases that were not recognized at first. The CDC is starteing to take notice and will hopefully soon open up an official clinical study.

I am not sure if this is a viral/bacterial disease. SOme believe it may be a stealth virus. It may be an autoimmune disorder. Or severe allergy to mosquito bites in people also positive for epstein Barr virus. Some may simply have tropical parasites that are undiagnosed because the areas in which they live are not areas where one would have such paraites. However I have uncovered evidence of cases of these even in Boston. If you go to the New England Journal Of Medicine:

https://secure.nejm.org/ecom/register/p ... o=ONFKN05G

I have found cases very similar in description to the "spahetti type fibers and painful lesions that come from these people.
Others however, report quite different tiny black fibers and smaller lesions that are extremely itchy, white track marks under the skin that appear on their own, horrible crawling/moving sensations.

Most all report chronic fatigue.

The single common denominator at present is LACk of treatment.acknowledgement and DOP labeling of these poor people.

And :( children have it too.

The point is why has an investigation not yet been launched?

Thats why the debate gos on and on.

PS: Pub Med is an other good one on tropical parasites
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Postby Linn » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:00 pm

Some morgellons sufferers have reported similar symptoms:

REPORT OF A CASE


"A 35-year-old cattle rancher and oil field worker in Texas .......

When he rubbed this lesion, a white worm (about 1 cm long) emerged (Figure 1). This larva was H lineatum, second instar stage.
, a second larva exited from a skin lesion on the patient’s back. "
~Mayo Clinic Proceedings

Edited in case I violate copy rules :?

view thru this link:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/in ... =1485&UID=



Then why arent they looked at?
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