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Postby London » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:09 pm

Hi Lynne!!!! You aint' no damn grandmother!!!!

Too cute-you look really close to what I was imagining!!


Thanks

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Postby London » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:02 pm

I guess John took me up on the offer and is contacting them now!!

Let's all hope so!!! Go Johnboy!!!
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Postby London » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:15 pm

Helen,

It was from Dr. Wymore. Here's a snippet of it. Also it can be found at http://www.Morgellons.org

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. DNA sequencing is a common-place procedure in 2006. There are thousands of labs and numerous commercial facilities that will sequence DNA at a fairly inexpensive cost (under $20.00 per reaction). If there is an engineered organism that the maker of this video has in his possession, then it would be trivial to sequence across the DNA splice sites. If sections of DNA from 2 species have been joined together, then the sequence should reveal the first organism to one point and then the other organism beyond that splice site. DNA technology lends itself to accidental splicing of mismatched pieces of DNA fairly frequently. Labs that do DNA and RNA research are frequently checking to make sure that such accidents are detected, or much valuable research time can be wasted. Intentional and accidental DNA splicing occurs in the modern molecular biology world & simple DNA sequencing reveals when such errors occur. Since fairly poor labs and even college teaching labs can sequence large stretches of DNA, there should be no reason that the maker of the video cannot do so. Such work is inexpensive and easy. It is also CONVINCING and NOT subject to interpretation.
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Postby in_the_uk » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:21 pm

London, thanks for the link. It doesn't say to me that MRF is following that route, it says to me that it would not be difficult or expensive for tamtam to make his message in his video more clear.

"There are thousands of labs and numerous commercial facilities that will sequence DNA at a fairly inexpensive cost (under $20.00 per reaction). If there is an engineered organism that the maker of this video has in his possession, then it would be trivial to sequence across the DNA splice sites.......It is also CONVINCING and NOT subject to interpretation."

I think that the best route is the one that the prof at Manchester suggested to me and that is, "to get it identified".

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Postby London » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:31 pm

I agree with you Helen! I just don't see why the heck then that the foundation has not tested any of our samples and told us what it is....

Think about it.....

and Again, I was not intentionally knocking them- quite the opposite-

I just wanted to understand why- to try to learn???

don't you agree that John would be a great help to them? I hope that is what he is doing right now.

love,

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Postby London » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:48 pm

Parsites Rule the World they say?

http://www.pestdepot.addr.com/rule_world.htm

and don't miss this one....."An Hebal Miracle Cure"

http://www.fact55.com/issuebriefs.htm


Good evening you all- i have got to go for now.......

London
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Postby John Kern » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:50 pm

London wrote:I may have / must have missed your post where you stated your profession and how you found/ came to this fiber forum. You must be a Doctor of some sorts, eh? If not, you still are seem to be very Bright and full of a wealth of knowledge. So I have an idea…..The Foundation ( or their spokespeople) Have said the only help they really need/ could use right now is for Doctors and people like you John.


I'm not a doctor. I'm actually retired, I was in an Information Science related position - corporate knowledge systems, etc. I got here because I was researching my own skin conditions (Tinea, Chemical Sensitivity and some undiagnosed itchiness and flaking). I do have basic scientific training, but no real practical lab experience. Since i don't have any access to lab equipment, I don't think I could help MRF. I don't think I want to be devoting more time time to it anyway.

To them. I think they have been around several years and yet they have not produced any DNA tesing results…..


They did do some testing to eliminate collembola. But you can't just do DNA testing and have it tell you what a thing is (not yet anyway), DNA testing can tell you if is is or is not a particular thing (of which you have DNA samples already), but I think you have to know what you are looking for - especially if you only have a small sample.

I think the key is to focus on the fibers, as this is the only thing that distinguishes Morgellons from anything else. You can't tell much from analysis of a single sample regardless of the tests used. The first step is some simple collations of statistics - size, color, photos.
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Postby John Kern » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:57 pm

carriescamp wrote:Hey guys...isn't there a way to get notification when you have mail or a certain reply to a post or something when on this forum?


Click on "watch this topic for replies", at the bottom of the page, on the left, under the "new topic" button. make sure your email in your profile is correct.

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Postby in_the_uk » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:03 pm

London wrote:
don't you agree that John would be a great help to them? I hope that is what he is doing right now.



London,

I think that John has a lot of good sense, and I think some kind of academic/ research background. He would be a great help, but he may have a 9 to 5 job that usually demands more hours than he gets paid for and he may have a wife and small children that want him to play in the park and he may have elderly parents who want him to visit and take them shopping and he may have a few little hobbies that he wants to indulge himself in and occasionally he may need a little sleep. So don't hold your breath.

I actually agreed with some thing that he said to you in an earlier post, that is that whatever you think and what ever papers you find, you must be able to defend outside of this board. That is not him being difficult that is the fact of the matter.

I think that you find a lot of stuff but you need to categorise it in some kind of systematic way. Before I said about the creative problem solving stuff that I have done. Well after the brainstorming and idea generation stage (divergent stage) there comes a convergent stage where the "best" ideas are whittled down from the rest. One way of doing this is to put all those papers and articles with similarities together (categorise). It should then be possible to read through them and review the different approaches and weigh one set of ideas against another. I think that if you did that then you would be in a position to write an article for a magazine - say New Scientist - or newspaper. Do you have any magazines for Citizen Scientists?

Lecture over. Do read what I have just written IF YOU HAVE JUST SKIPPED OVER IT :D

Best wishes,

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Postby London » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:24 pm

I have posted all that I;m gonna post.....cannot go on anylonger.....

I'm at the dead end.......

Where's my TAMTAM?????
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Postby Sabrina » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:28 pm

Guys, I know we have a lot going on with all of our current projects in the works but I had an idea and I am purposing this here now. :D

Tamtam has been such a Godsend to us all. 8) I propose that we ask him to please help us continue to advance. He says that sooooooooooooooo much more research needs to be done and we all know this is a sad and wretched reality since no research is available anywhere and MRF only has one doctor researching this on his spare time. I bet they could use some help. John may be too old for this job being retired and all.

I have never considered this before but, I would like to create some type of resource (i.e. $$$$$) fund that, if he would accept the challenge, we could send to him to continue to support our efforts and cause. :D I know that many hoops would need to be jumped through but I am able and willing to take this idea on and see what will manifest. This will entail establishing a non-profit organization and I am completely on that already. :wink: I am also willing to raise some money if need be and in this case I am not above using any resource I can find to advance the cause.

Let me know what you all think. :D

Peace,
Sabrina

P.S.

I have a sibling that has a Masters in Public Health. They were the director of The United Way in XXX XX County (XXXXX Fla.) at one time. They are very experienced at researching and writing grants. I know I could get their help when we get there. Keep this in mind; it should bring some more HOPE. :D :D :D
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Postby Linn » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:35 pm

London wrote:Hi Lynne!!!! You aint' no damn grandmother!!!!

Too cute-you look really close to what I was imagining!!


Thanks

Here's one of me:

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LONDON!!!!STOoooooooooP!!!!!!!!! :evil:
Sorry I never made it to the cover of national geographic yet!! :(
that pic REALLY creeps me out :evil:
ove that ha
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