The Fiber Disease

[John Kern]

and...hmmm? did I say I was depressed or withrawn?

Are you not? I though that was part of the symptoms of Morgellons. Sorry, maybe I was thinking of someone else. Do you have any "Neuropsychiatric symptoms and signs"

- John

[Linn]

[

LondonColombia and other Andean

quote]MyselfOMG
I mentioned about some of this [/quote]

[in_the_uk]

It does not take much, just ten people who approach the observations in a rigerous manner would be enough for statistical significance.

Hi John,

That is really useful. We could do that via the website that we are going to launch, but to incorporate the required rigour then it would require a set of "measurements" that each person measuring their fibres, etc, could perform. Perhaps you could help devising an list of "measuremts".

But also, to remove any ambiguity, then how could it be set up for those 10 people to have their measurements taken in a lab somewhere? I have suggested earlier that a possible route would be to get a final year undergrad to take it as a project. Do you know of any other way of getting credible data that will go towards publishable research?

Helen

[Linn]

and...hmmm? did I say I was depressed or withrawn?

Are you not? I though that was part of the symptoms of Morgellons. Sorry, maybe I was thinking of someone else. Do you have any "Neuropsychiatric symptoms and signs"

- John

John,
I sometimes get bummed just before my.....ah..menses
do we want ot go there?

and when I had really bad attacks of this I feel bummed,
but that is natural

Now I do have nerophysiological symptoms.

I have never had my brain tested if thats what you mean.

When I get the extreme fatigue I have brain fog.
(Can not concentrate)
And when I have allergies, or a cold I feel the same way.

probably the best way to describe it is like when you have the flu...
how do you feel?

Only it's NOT the flu!

John maybe you can set up a survey of
your own and gather data?

Have you seen any common denominator?

Lynne

[Skytroll]

John,

You might want to look at this, Fusarium is used to kill coca crops in South America and has been used here to kill marijuana plants.

It is causing many problems for children in Afghanistan, when used to kill poppy plants.

The early summer 1996 aerial spraying of Ultra Glyphosate (Monsanto's "Round-Up") on 45,000 acres of Guaviare coca caused convulsive vomiting and hair loss among the children. The enraged mothers organized the August 1996 march of more than 150,000 campesinos in Guaviare, Putumayo and Caqueta provinces. The Colombian federales diffused the protest with false compromises, then stealthily assassinated the march leaders. Many of the surviving campesinos turned, for the first time, to the guerrillas. The U.S. then insisted that Colombia allow it to switch to the far more poisonous tebuthiuron (Dow's "Spike"). Now, if the US State Department has its way, the ongoing chemical spraying will be followed by the massive, nearly indetectable high altitiude dropping of Agent Green (the mycoherbicide fusarium oxysporum formae specialis [f.sp.] erythroxyli). Agent Green is an extension of the US-engineered 1997 UN Drug Control Program's SCOPE program (Strategy for Coca and Opium Poppy Elimination). [1]

The head of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, David B. Struhs, quashed the maniacal idea, pointing out that it was more like a silver bullet in the head: "Fusarium species are capable of evolving rapidly. Mutagenicity is by far the most disturbing factor in attempting to use a Fusarium species as a bioherbicide. It is difficult, if not impossible to control the spread of Fusarium species. The mutated fungi can cause disease in large numbers of crops, including tomatoes, peppers, flowers, corn and vines and are normally considered a threat to farmers as a pest, rather than as a pesticide…. Fusarium species are more active in warm soils and can stay resident in the soil for years. Their longevity and enhanced activity under Florida conditions are of concern, as this could lead to an increased risk of mutagenicity." [4]

This information was not news to the Department of Defense, and its contractor, Ag/Bio Con. Quite the contrary. Fusarium's spectacularly deadly mutagenicity has been firmly established in biological science for years. Like various other plant pathogens, Fusarium oxysporum has several specialized forms - known as formae specialis (f.sp.) - that infect a variety of hosts causing various diseases. In Hawaii, these include: Fusarium oxysporum f.sp.asparagi (fusarium yellows on asparagus); f.sp.callistephi (wilt on China aster); f.sp.cubense (Panama disease/wilt on banana); f.sp.dianthi (wilt on carnation); f.sp.koae (on koa); f.sp.lycopersici (wilt on tomato); f.sp.melonis (fusarium wilt on muskmelon); f.sp.niveum (fusarium wilt on watermelon); f.sp.pisi (on edible-podded pea); f.sp.tracheiphilum (wilt on Glycine max); and f.sp.zingiberi (fusarium yellows on ginger).

Some strains of Fusarium oxysporum produce the toxic substances fusaric acid, moniliformin , trichothecenes and fusarin C . Trichothecenes is dangerous enough to be listed as a biological weapons agent in the draft Protocol to the UN Convention on Biological and Toxic Weapons.

Fumonisins have been shown to cause a neurological disease, equine leucoencephalomalacia in horses, pulmonary edema in swine, hepatotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in other domestic animals, and carcinogenesis in laboratory animals. In humans, mycotoxins can cause reduced growth rate, decreased resistance to infection, fatty liver syndrome and death. [14]

The influential Edward Hammond of the Sunshine Project15, a pioneer in opposition to this nazi science, quotes an 8/7/2000 editorial by the Managing Editor of Chemical and Engineering News, the magazine of the American Chemical Society, entitled "Agent Orange and F. oxysporum": "There is an unavoidable moral component to scientific research, and development of F. oxysporum as a weapon in the war on drugs or any other war violates it. Scientists should just say no to participating in this research." [16]

and more.........source:

http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/disinfo.htm

skytroll

[Linn]

thanx sky,
I might look for my research paper I did
because I have a news clip in it about disease from
pesticides/herbicides ad how US/Clinton involment in
these countries.
see, its all about ecology, when the balance
is disturbed things
happen that are not good, including disease,
and insects.

and there are things that can be "disturbed"
in the rainforrest, diseases
yet unknown.


Side point:
Has anyone looked in to Deuteromycetes
that parasitizes protozoans and nematodes?
I am reading a bit about them in my book.
seems, the fungus produces small rhizoidlike
outgrowths called haustoria that grow into the worms
body and digest it.

other,
nematode-trapping fungi have loops that
wrap around the nematode.
This fungi only form loops when a nematode is present.

On these lines, it would be an uncommon
nematode/fungi but along those lines.

I just want to rule this one out.

[London]

Great Post Sky and Yours Too Lynne!
_______________________
Hey John,

I'm interested in learning about the comment you said earlier (sorry, I have no idea how to do the quote box thing), but the part I'm interested in was when you said that the Fusarium is a natural fungas(it;s already
in the US) Then the confusing part was where you stated "Like the one
we have In Texas?

If you see this, do you mind elaborating on it some?
_________________________

Lynn, what do I need to send you?????

I'm sorry, I just did not pay attention to survey post-never have. Stupid of me, I know but I hate stats. I will do it. I just remember that we are supposed to PM you something but what this is I have not a clue!

Sorry there!


Thank You,

London

[Linn]

This looks interesting:

http://bioresearch.ac.uk/nb/26ac2d652df ... b971a.html

Spend a little time roaming around in that one people

[London]

Lynne, going to have a look at your h.link now....

Here a man's website on Agent Green

http://www.mycoherbicide.info/

and this is short and good too!

http://www.sunshine-project.org/agentgreen/

US State Department Launches New Push to Use Agent Green in ColombiaPlan was defeated by NGOs and indigenous people in 2001; but US diplomats renew pressure on Colombia.


(Austin and Hamburg – 6 April 2004) - US State Department officials have revived a controversial scheme to use biological weapons to forcibly eradicate coca and opium poppy crops in Colombia. The eradication technique calls for testing types of the fungus Fusarium oxysporum (dubbed "Agent Green" by the Sunshine Project) and using airplanes to blanket coca and poppy-growing areas of the country with the biological agents. A previous attempt to use Agent Green was shelved amidst protests in 2000-01 and following a determination by then-President Clinton that it could run afoul of the Biological Weapons Convention. If the renewed US pressure continues, it is very likely to generate protest by civil society organizations, indigenous peoples, and Colombia's neighbors, all of whom oppose the fungus.

[in_the_uk]

......(sorry, I have no idea how to do the quote box thing)....

Hi London,

If you left click on the "quote" button in the top right hand corner of the message that you want to quote from you will get a "post a reply" box that includes the message that you want to quote from. The message will be enclosed by a piece of code in [ ] at the beginning and a piece of code in [ ] at the end. As long as that format is left intact anything between those two pairs of brackets can be deleted so that you only quote the relevant bit. If you start your reply after the "]" of the second pair of brackets then you should be ok.

Good night everyone. See you all tomorrow.

Helen

[in_the_uk]

This one got posted twice. Don't know how to delete it

Helen

[Sabrina]

Dear John,

If you are in anyway associated with the vulgar website that you linked here then you are an evil and twisted person. I am having the Moderators alerted to this problem immediately.

Defamation of character is against the law even over the internet and some of those photos are copyrighted also.

Your site exploits the suffering of beautiful human beings and I only wish the karma of the person who created such a depraved irreverence be 1000 fold.

Anyone who is capable of causing such harm to completely credible people by twisting the truth with wicked thoughts is not welcome here.