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Postby John Kern » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:21 pm

Linn wrote:who did the highlighting in that?
weird.
well I have to go bring me stepdaughter to the orthodontist.
later gator :)


Highlighting is done automatically by Google. Here's the same page with different words highlighted

http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&vid=ISBN0312303564&id=f04qwVgYQMkC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=offspring%20of%20Japan%20Gruinard%20in%20cotton%20warm&sig=9oLDGgQUySXdNCBDOZsrDPqfnuY
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Postby John Kern » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:48 pm

London wrote: On another note/question you posed to me re: the article on adenovirus,
you asked me why do or do I think that this is Morgellons? No, I never even came NEAR saying that John. You had simply asked me to provide an article that had GM in it with Fibers too, and well that article had both.


I was really wondering why you thought your own fiber related disease was in some way connected to genetic engineering.

Do you have any photos of your fibers?

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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:01 am

standby wrote:
Linn wrote:

No the CDC says DOP even with erruptions
trust me on this one.
I know first hand.



Is this hearsay Linn......or directly from the horses mouth?
Because that's not the gist I'm getting. It may be the run around but 'IT' is definately not being shrugged off as DOP. Far from it.

Ok is this hersay standby...or

OK :?

:shock: if this is all thats pulled out of everything I wrote......

Any way let me type out from the book pages I have in front of me:
"The conviction that insects arecrawling on, biting,or burrowing in the skin is termed "delusionary parasitosis"-American Entomologist volume 46 no 1

and from the same:
"Demonstration of scarification is indicative only of scratching, it proves nothing about the stimulus causing of the scatching. Self excoriation is a common feature of delusionary paraitosis, despite the individuals' protestations that they do not scratch."

"scratchung may produce papular eruptions. Any repeated skin irritation produces a friction blister.
Repeated rubbing of the skin produces a bleb, which when ruptured, yeilds an open sore that may become infected. One the sore begins oozing plasma and a scab forms, hairs and cloth fibers become entrapped in the sticky fluid....

need I go on there is lots more?
This is what they (doctors are thinking of as they pretend to care.

I am not a lier, if I say something then I mean it. I coud say something and be mistaken but if i say something like that trust me
I am not your enemy you know,
I care about every one of you, and am a sharer of this awfull disease remember?

In addition to that:
My own personal experience is that the times I went to doctors, emergency room

I brought someone with me as a witness
(who do NOT have this too) because they say that often the delusional patients have a family member who also suffers from the same)delusion :evil: and although it was very apparent I had bug-like bite marks etc all over I was completely turned a way, each time with the comment: "You know there is a disorder called delusions of parasititis?"
the person I was with was completely shocked by this.

At present a dermatologist is working with me and seems kind, but I wonder why all of a sudden???

take care,
standby :wink:
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:11 am

John Kern wrote:
Linn wrote:who did the highlighting in that?
weird.
well I have to go bring me stepdaughter to the orthodontist.
later gator :)


Highlighting is done automatically by Google. Here's the same page with different words highlighted

http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&vid=ISBN0312303564&id=f04qwVgYQMkC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=offspring%20of%20Japan%20Gruinard%20in%20cotton%20warm&sig=9oLDGgQUySXdNCBDOZsrDPqfnuY


google?

I have never had google do that with articles contained in a link before?
I know google highlights thekey words in description of the link but not the excerpt written.
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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:40 am

Linn wrote:google?

I have never had google do that with articles contained in a link before?
I know google highlights thekey words in description of the link but not the excerpt written.


Google itself does not, but google books does.

http://books.google.com
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:40 am

John Kern wrote:
Linn wrote:google?

I have never had google do that with articles contained in a link before?
I know google highlights thekey words in description of the link but not the excerpt written.


Google itself does not, but google books does.

http://books.google.com


BINGO!! :lol:
I never used google books lol
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Postby Skytroll » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:35 am

Linn,

The reason dermatologist are starting to pay attention is because DERMATOPATHOLOGISTS have been given a bad rap.

The Board of Pathology and Dermatology decided some time back to throw out the dermatopathologists who observed, and studied and investigated LESIONS.

Dermatologist go to school for a few years become dermatologists, and does not know how to look at the histology of a lesion, at all.

Here, is what is missing. I have been looking for a true Dermatopathologist.

I have found the writings, and it is in the garden that we shall find answers.

And guess what, they use a true scientific method to discern what one has.

Oncology became the word, even though less people had oncological symptoms.

"At least one of these same politicians, boldly encouraging others to resist the incursions of the business world into the practice of pathology, was among the first to yield the control of his laboratory to big business for monetary gain".....

The favors received, in return for surrendering dermatopathology, have yet to be revealed. I would think embarrassment would have by this time prompted one of the former Board members to disclose the nature of a barter".....

from Dr. Reed's, THE REED PATCH, A neglected garden.

Where have all the dermatopathologists gone?

So, the uneducated Dermatologists are starting to wake up.

Have we ever discussed Lichens? or Moss?

PLEASE PLEASE go down the list and look at these.
fusarium etc. pick out whatever and see image.

A true dermatopathologist's work.

http://tinyurl.com/gzyru


And here is from where help will come. It has been planned.
http://www.histopathology-india.net/dermpath.htm


BUT, Don't let them tell you it is cancer. Not all pathology is cancer. You see, the pattern?

This is concerning the philosophy of pathologists.


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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:43 am

Hi
Maggie,
I live in Massachusetts, if anyone wants to travel here

I dont feel up to travel out myself.

Anyone in Conneticut, Vermont, NY, that would like to come down and meet for a glass of wine/dinner and some discussions???

I suppose being in the same boat we would understand
if we do not feel so well at it though. :)
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:57 am

BUT, Don't let them tell you it is cancer. Not all pathology is cancer. You see, the pattern?


hah, (inf disease doc already had sugested the AIDES
sarcom???skin cancer isn't that?cant remember that name

I have seen under scope previously that my
epiderm cells are abnormal..

Sky, I am just getting so weary. :(

so what about this derm I am seeing, twice
I came in for a biopsy, and he said he couldnt
do one, they had to be fresher.

that is the first time a physician actualy took a
good look at them.
BUT only with naked eye, not magnification.

Now I am not getting
any fresh ones for two months, nor are there any fibers,
I am hard pressed to find even one.

my dog is doing good too :)
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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:23 am

Linn wrote:Any way let me type out from the book pages I have in front of me:
"The conviction that insects arecrawling on, biting,or burrowing in the skin is termed "delusionary parasitosis"-American Entomologist volume 46 no 1

and from the same:
"Demonstration of scarification is indicative only of scratching, it proves nothing about the stimulus causing of the scatching. Self excoriation is a common feature of delusionary paraitosis, despite the individuals' protestations that they do not scratch."

"scratchung may produce papular eruptions. Any repeated skin irritation produces a friction blister.
Repeated rubbing of the skin produces a bleb, which when ruptured, yeilds an open sore that may become infected. One the sore begins oozing plasma and a scab forms, hairs and cloth fibers become entrapped in the sticky fluid....


All the above statements are true - but they do NOT exclude the possibility of an organism causing the symptoms. It's NOT the CDC's position to treat everyone with parasite infestation symptoms as being delusional. Millions of people in the US and Europe alone suffer from parasitic infection. The CDC directly addresses this.

Here's what the CDC says about scabies:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/scabies/factsht_scabies.htm

Or body lice:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/lice/factsht_body_lice.htm

Or Onchocerciasis (river blindness)
http://www2.ncid.cdc.gov/travel/yb/utils/ybGet.asp?section=dis&obj=oncho.htm

Or Cercarial dermatitis
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/cercarialdermatitis/factsht_cercarialdermatitis.htm

Or a whole host of parasitic diseases that match some of the Morgellons type symptoms.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/listing.htm

The CDC takes parasites very seriously. They also take new diseases seriously, and have a whole section on emerging diseases
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/index.htm

The CDC and related organizations have a large number of worldwide networks set up to monitor infectious diseases:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/osr/site/sentinel/surv-sys.htm

The CDC is in the business of eradicating these things.

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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:34 am

Linn wrote:so what about this derm I am seeing, twice
I came in for a biopsy, and he said he couldnt
do one, they had to be fresher.


The timing of a biopsy is very important to an accurate diagnosis. See:

http://www.vgrd.org/archive/cases/2006/CME%20vasculitis/cme%20vasculitis%20text.htm


or a less technical article:

http://mdsong.net/technote/reed.cgi?board=medicine&y_number=31&nnew=1

First, confirm the diagnosis of vasculitis histologically via skin biopsy. It's important to realize that skin lesions have "lifespans" and that a particular disease, such as small-vessel vasculitis, may have different histopathologic features at various stages. A skin biopsy specimen of treated lesions or lesions older than 24 to 48 hours may show a nonspecific mononuclear perivascular infiltrate rather than leukocytoclastic vasculitis. Don't discount the diagnosis, therefore, if a nonspecific biopsy is obtained in a patient with suspect lesions. Consider rebiopsy with careful lesion selection, or if new lesions are not available for additional biopsy and there is strong clinical suspicion for vasculitis, proceed with the workup for vasculitis.


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Postby Skytroll » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:42 am

John,

It seems the problem here is this.

We have looked at what the CDC says on these parasitic diseases. But, if one looks at other places and other studies, you will find some differing descriptions of these diseases.

Western Medicine does not look at diseaes that have crossed borders, and/ or people with diseases crossing borders.

For instance, if someone comes here and has Onchocerciasis. A bug bites them and then bites me, I can get that, especially if it is black fly, or even a misquito.

The CDC is ignoring this. It does not exist here.

They are also putting other things on web there, that is not true. The Cdc does not put the full details of all these diseases out there,

Atlas does a better job.
Cdfound.to.it does better
If one looks in other countries, those diseases can cross borders, gm foods can blow pods, red ants imported here, now have to have the imported Phorid fly here, and this was modified. etc...

There are hundreds of sites out there, but, the CDC does not crosslink any of the other sites, only what they have.

I do think they look at this as only Western Medicine will, peer collaboration in a box, no individual scientists, or parasitologists, or pathologists are even discussed, just like the Dermatopathologist being put out to pasture.

Here is where lesions are actual looked at and analyzed. When they say things are erradicated, that is a lie, when you have emerging diseases everywhere. The CDC say Lymes is endemic in the Northeastern US, is an emerging disease, but, has been around since the 80s. how can that be?

Now, the Michigan DNR says that Lymes Disease is an emerging disease and is epidemic, but the Association for Local Public Health in this state,
says there is no epidemic Lymes.

Now, the Assoc of Local Public Health in all states is governed by the CDC..

Now, who is lying here?

The DNR?
The State Assoc of Public Health?
The CDC?

Or who is trying to deceive again? It has worked in
the past. We don't want to scare anyone, so they cover the truth, meanwhile scaring the he.. out of us over Bird Flu.

Well, we are finding out what has been done, and this is where London, I, Tam Tam, South, yyz,
Cilla, and many others are investigating.

No one else wants to touch this. We know there have been misdeeds, and many of these should be brought to the attention of Congress and the Senate.

We have been trying and some of us are getting response back.

There should be a hearing in Congress with the CDC, the NIH, which is funding genetic alteration and modification projects all over the world.

When did our government have the right to fund such labs all over the world, by our tax dollar?

So, not only is scientific deductions to be made by many of us, but the contintual uncovering of
misdeeds which will continue until we hollar loud enough.



To all,

London has uncovered a vast amount of information on Labs, Universities, Institutes,
Businesses who run amuck with no EPA standards because they too have covered for misdeeds.
So many plans, projects, and agendas out there.
The government and every agency right down to the Department of Transportation and its use of waste on roads. The DOD for using our servicemen as experiments in bacterial loaded clothes, that are highly cellular sensitive.

You see the Universities, Governments, Business are one big triangle, while the UN is concerned with population control, but, as a cover global warming and sustainable living are the deceptions.

I think at some time they joined hands.

However, if we keep at it we will unfold like the prion, we will see all the damage done.

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