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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:00 am

You all are boring! :)

Johnboy,

1. The fibers are made fron spinning- (can not explain this to you)
2. The are some type of polymer
3. optic fibers

They not f-ing kleenex fibers. Tha'ts just the Gov'ts lame-ass excuse.

They planned and created this disease in the late 70'S!!!

Supposedly Clinton signed something forming an agreement for this to be created in a small European Country.

I do believe it's main reason was Pesticides Use

Now it has branched out into germwarfare, nanotechnology (which the Defense has now used to build some plane that can defy gracity- which
was just like I had predicted back in October) Let's see

oh yeah, they the pharma Co's are using it for making their Drugs-

oh, I can't forget this one.....it causes CANCER too, thus more money for the Doctors, and all around back to the whole Med profession.

Now I almost forgot the Universities. You see they get millions to provide the research.

It is a UniversityLab where this more than likely originated.

This thing is now in our drinking water. To me California is just one big toxic dumping ground- as well as Michigan.

Then you have the hole in the ozone,,,,,,the particles from the rockets,
the culmination of simply a plethora of pollution......from Traffic, from
the Air, from space, from the ocean.....and we are seeing the results of this too.

But I think the worst part of it is the simple fact of parasites of all kinds that take up residence in our bodies. And here, hell I will really give you a laugh....some of them glow!

I hate this disease- I'm ready for my autopsy, I really am.

There John, Hope this gave you an earful..

Please go the hell away if you're not going to help.

You come on here presenting a blog that's says oh, you guys it's just Kleenex fibers. This is a slap in our face.

and I would've slapped you in yours if we would've been in person.

Ever so cheerful,

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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:32 am

London wrote:You come on here presenting a blog that's says oh, you guys it's just Kleenex fibers. This is a slap in our face.


I don't think all the fibers are kleenex. Most fibers look nothing like kleenex. In fact the photos on the blog only really explain those two photos from morgellons.org, and not any of the other photos. Even then it was not a good match for color.

I'm willing to look at any evidence. Can you point me at some to do with the things you mentioned?

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Postby Skytroll » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:55 am

John,

I see the scientific process and know what you are saying, but, we are not scientists.

Our next step is to get one.

However, we can be Citizen Scientists, however there are different ways of doing the theory process aren't there, I really don't know.

This one from Greek cosmology. Are there others?

If that is from kleenex on the boy, the kleenex could be contaminated. I know that q tips are.

If you look at them, you can see the fibers moving.

Under microscope anyway.

Okay, so we need observations

Now, how does one observe?

I look through my 30X microscope, and I see on my skin, what looks like gold particles, black fibers in a lesion that has opened. There is pain in that lesion. There are sparkly particles. These particles cause itching.
The fibers appear to be ribbon form, flat, and with branching, budding apparatus. When I pull the black fiber out, a pod comes with it. A white, yellowish substance. The ribbon is smaller than a hair. Also, there are tubes, most likely cellulose tubes, sometimes appear empty, sometimes filled with whitish sticky fluid. The red fibers are extremely painful and once out of the skin, the pain in the lesion, subsides, at that point. However,
there still is pain, because more are still attached.

As long as the black/ red fibers are protruding or crawling under the skin, there is pain and/or itching.
Also, these are not fabric. I sew, so I know fabric and threads. These are smaller than thread and fabric threads.

The lesion is usually encircled and within the circle are bead - like balls, possible fungal, or algae.
These beads are transparent or white and also cause extreme pain, and seem to be hooked together. When one gets further into the lesion, larger buds appear, as if a plant root is growing there. Once those are out the lesion will sometimes appear to heal. However, the beads appear again, begin itching, and soon pain follows and movement in the lesion, then under skin there is a migrating type of action going on and the lesions will spread.

A similar description is given by Cliff Michelson.
I can find that for you.

Okay, now that is observation over 10 years of this, same pattern, whenever a lesion appears.

Now, for the movement from one organ to another.
From the ankle, to the knee, to the hip, to the intestines, to the lungs to the shoulders where it will either grow or from lungs be coughed up.

Then it will do the same on the other side, sometimes going from the upper back area across to the other side. If a nodule forms it is removed.
The reports from that were "lypoma" or "fatty deposit" Only check for cancer, nothing else.

Now, when it crosses over the back of neck, upper backbone, extreme pain is present, with pain shooting up back of neck into head. It then will tease around the head for a while, giving me headaches, eyepain, sinus pain, gum pain. Once it moves under the skin, it will go deeper into shoulder, it is hard to lift arms at this point, give it 2 to 3 days, it travels down other side of body.

So, whether this is the same organism or others moving, is not known. Cartilage seems to be an attractive place for these, and it is like flesheating when it finds cartilage. Examples: Nose, ears.

Now, the only description of Morgellons is in the 1600's, but, there is evidence of similar types of
observations later. Going back and gathering up that theory along with the more recent ones, could bring us into this century with a new hypothesis
Right?

Or am I off here?

You are a scientist, right?

Can you help us get there?

So, I have observed this over time, the same pattern.

My hypothesis would be: Fibers in lesions on the skin are consistent with the appearance of transparent bead organisms that migrate under the skin forming branching filaments that in turn form buds consistent with algae or fungus.

So, every time a lesion is present on the skin, fibers will form, beaded organisms will be present,
and either algae or fungus exists.

So, my theory would be: skin lesions on the skin which consist of fibers, transparent bead organisms and branching filaments is either algae or fungi.

Now, is that the correct way to do that?

Don't laugh.........

I am trying......my weak spot...

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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:24 am

Skytroll,

Your observations so far seem good.

But your hypothesis is a bit complex. The problem will not be solved in an all-at once scientific analysis. Rather we need to take small solid steps, whereby we can gather a little bit of solid knowledge to help us step up to make some real hypotheses.

There are a lot of experiments that can be done without scientific training or equipment. So long as the scientific method is applied rigerously.

I'd focus on the fibers, since without the fibers, it might be something else. What have your obsevations been about the fibers. What length, number of them, thickness relative to a head hair? Any photos? Can you describe each fiber in detail. How does it differ from household fibers and hairs? Where do you find them? How do they emerge from the skin - or are they only inside lesions?

Start with simple hypothesis:
- The fibers are only found in my lesions
Devise experiments
- Examine lesion free area of body for fibers.
Perform experiment as rigerously as possible
- Swab area with adhesive tape, examine all fibers caught
See if experiment confirms the hypothesis, and modify your overall theory accordingly.

You need to take small solid steps to avoid struggling down dead end investigations.

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Postby Skytroll » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:40 am

Thank you John,

I feel like a student. I appreciate the information.
I will sit down with a plan to observe in a more detailed way. I have looked until I finally said, no more, because sometimes it seems obsessive to constantly be looking at these things.

I just decided to treat them the best I could.

Thank you for taking the time to explain how this works. I appreciate that.

sincerely,
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Postby Linn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:44 am

John Kern wrote:
Linn wrote:OK John,

they seem to average at about 1/10 centimeter
the diameter I can not measure at this time
but are much smaller than an eyelash or follicle hair.
also an eyelash hair is about 9/10 centimeter.(Long)



Sounds like vellus hairs to me. AKA peach fuzz. You can see them growing on the back of your hand if you hold it edge on in front of the monitor. They grow pretty much everywhere, even on your knees. In non-caucasians it can be dark.

See:

http://www.dermatology.org/hairnailsmuc ... -9page.htm

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thanx,
It could be the organism is concentrating
where these hairs are. :?: :idea:

however.....
do they grow under the eyes, sides of nose, on the chin?

london:You all are boring!


you are too funny London, :lol:
and yes compared to you I am dull!! :lol: :lol:
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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:55 pm

Linn wrote:thanx,
It could be the organism is concentrating
where these hairs are. :?: :idea:

however.....
do they grow under the eyes, sides of nose, on the chin?


Vellus hairs gow on every bit of exposed skin except the palms and soles (unless you have the cunningly named "Hairy palm and sole disease").

Hormonal changes (and disorders) can cause vellus hairs to grow larger and more noticable. This can be affected by anovulation, esp when due to eating disorder. Thyroid disorders can also cause unusual hair growth.

Unfortunately however, many types of skin inflammation can lead to unusual hair growth, (hypertrichosis). So if these are hairs you are finding, they might just be a side effect of some kind of dermatitis or infection, and not the cause.

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Postby Linn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:21 pm

John,
that is logical.
I observed that vellus hairs on me are
very light blond to white. The fibers are
black, so maybe the color changed
from the process and then fall out.

In addition, if vellus hairs
are the fibers
the "infected" vellus follicle
is thus the source of the itch.
and the dermatologists should
take biopsy from there?

PS: John thank you for bringing some orderliness
to this discussion. :)

Helen, sorry about saying micro-aps :oops:
its a required course now in college.
that is microcomputer applications
excel, word, access etc
access is what I would use to create the data base.
I havent used it lately, so I will have to wing it
and try to remember.
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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:34 pm

Linn wrote:John,
that is logical.
I observed that vellus hairs on me are
very light blond to white. The fibers are
black, so maybe the color changed
from the process and then fall out.

In addition, if this is the fibers
the "infected" vellus follicle
is thus the source of the itch.
and the dermatologists should
take biopsy from there?


The dermatologist will decide on biopsy based on the totality of your symptoms. Unless you are looking for something specific (like, say tinae), then dermal biopsies are very inconclusive (they have a "low specificity") due to the large amount of contamination your skin gets every day from the environment. That's why they try to narrow down the agent before doing a biopsy - so they can do more specific tests.

Has your doctor done much dermoscopic examination? Any conclusions from that?
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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:03 pm

Linn wrote: I observed that vellus hairs on me are
very light blond to white. The fibers are
black, so maybe the color changed
from the process and then fall out.


Check this out
Image

From http://www.denniskunkel.com/DK/DK/Fungi ... 3012B.html

"A human eyelash (hair surface) with an unknown fungus infection. This infection is a type of superficial mycoses that is limited to the outermost layers of the hair or skin. The fungus alone has only a minimal capacity to damage skin directly. Superficial mycoses affect approximately 9 million Americans and account for 5% of skin diseases. These fungi invade only the dead or keratinized layers of the skin, hair and nails. However, an impaired immune system can encourage the infecting fungus to proliferate."

Unlikely this is solely what you have - but it's interesting stuff.
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Postby Linn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:10 pm

The dermatologist will decide on biopsy based on the totality of your symptoms. Unless you are looking for something specific (like, say tinae), then dermal biopsies are very inconclusive (they have a "low specificity") due to the large amount of contamination your skin gets every day from the environment. That's why they try to narrow down the agent before doing a biopsy - so they can do more specific tests.

Has your doctor done much dermoscopic examination? Any conclusions from that?


I have to hop in the car and drive 20 min to amherst
the second a new erruption comes, if it is even half a day
old he will not biopsy it, that has been a problem.
am afraid too, it WILL be inconclusive, they told
London that her biopsy showed folliculitis?
Is that correct london?
that conversation is in this thread somewhere.
so how more vague can that be?

and why do I have remissions?
why I have erruptions more in the summer?
why at times of tremendous stress I have not had any, and times when I was not stressed I had full blown attacks?
those questions lead me to deduct it is an external agent and not immune system originating, yes it can be an allergic reaction to the organism.

and diet, excercise, ect has no real bearing on the cause of this.
only in treatment.
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Postby Linn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:19 pm

a couple of us have brought out the possibility
it could be slime molds. Is that the florescent
greenish color I see with some fibers? :?: :idea:

problem: if it is we need microbio to ID it,
we cant get it Id if the doctor will not look for
it, and he will not look for it if we simply tell him to.
You know the doctor thing they do? the; I am in charge,
who are you to guess what you might have? mentality
of some doctors.
and if patients suggest things they get huffy.

If this could be researched, and then a notice
sent by the CDC to look for it specificaly.

So how do we get to there?
the CDC still calls it DOP

my immunine system is defin dyfunctional,
not by my own doing however.
I have always been allergic to EARTH :lol:
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