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Postby Nadas Moksha » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:44 pm

carefull with the use of ammonia due to the activating properties of nitrogen
and im also questioning the use of heat due to heat shock cells , thus heat may cause rapid migration ...........
and after a horror scene with solvents ive learned just what tam means by signaling .... . .. the bastards are fast! dont play with solvents!
although ... . by mixing certain spirits and organic oils I had limited sucess in isolating the membrane to certain extremities... .

im finding a bit of breathing room by a wash with apple cider viniger and a mix of one third epsom salt one third doctor bronner one third tide with bleach and rense with a cold shower .

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Postby mfromcanada » Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:14 pm

befour wrote:
mrcpvls wrote:I do, unfortunately, get the impression, that my posts are hardly ever read on this site. I think it is because there is so much verbal abuse going back and forth among members of this board who seem to know each other very well. As for the rest of us???????


Dear mrcpvls,

I feel exactly the same.....that no one ever reads my posts ...even when I am writing to specific members, no responses.

I guess we're not part of the in-crowd....or we're not cryptic enough....or we don't have have a degree in micro biology......or we're not rude enough, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, who, the hell cares, I won't waste my time and the little bit of energy I can muster, ever again.

(By the way, I read your posts!!)

befour


Thanks Befour, I got the impression that people were not responding to my posts because when I addressed them directly I did not get a response. I think that the problem is in the way that people post on this site. Messages that would otherwise be deemed to be personal, are posted on the board for all to see. Perhaps I should post messages privately that are meant for one person. I come here because I feel that the people on this board are the most knowledgeable about this infliction and I appreciate any/all input. I also feel that since I have had and have been researching this infliction for many years I might have something to offer. Perhaps if The Fiber Disease topic was broken down into sub-topics the board would be easier to read.
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Postby Skytroll » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:52 pm

hey all,

I read all your posts.

Mrcplvs,

I know you directed some to me, but, some links I could not get.

I am still working on the one you posted.

have found some other things, too.

Sometimes, I don't respond if I cannot add to the subject at that time, but, I do try.

I will be more direct in the future.


Randy,
The more doctors we have look at this and bring in more information from different angles, then they will be able to decipher it.

Your angle is one of many, but, I do hope the docs keep all angles open, just in case there are other aspects of this disease to be analyzed by the experts.

It isn't just the toxin, I find, I am finding other things that cause an extreme amount of pain, and they are transparent. Mostly on the face, like little pods that seem to stretch and grow longer, or form clumps, and radiate from those. Very irritating and causes headaches.

However, the plant like stuff I have seen, like a budding going on inside the skin.

Thank you for information.

Befour,
good to hear from you, please keep posting.

I will not post lengthy articles, will save that for my own writings.

Mrcpvls,
will see if I can find that link, yet.

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Postby southcity » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:16 pm

PROOF of The Political nature of this illness. The state of Georgia had started a SURVEILLANCE DATABASE earlier this year. All existance of this database has since disappeared from the net.

A CACHED COPY IS NOT AVAILABLE EITHER. google caches everything and it takes special requests to google to have them remove any cached copies from being found with using their search engine. note: it is not only google, all the search engines I know of have all scrubbed all reference to this database.

The state of georgia cannot claim this to be from simply cleaning their websites as other programs in their HAZARDS archives are available still with the oldest I found in a quick search was dated 2003. Yet nothing concerning this new UDS as they called it can be found anywhere.

IF YOU LIVE IN GEORGIA CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS THE PERSON LISTED BELOW AND DEMAND AN EXPLAINATION!!!! even if you dont live in georgia I feel it is still important to call and ask for explaination.

ALSO, I RECOMMEND SAVING A COPY OF ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY FIND SIMILIAR IN IMPORTANCE AS IT IS CLEAR THAT THERE IS MUCH GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES RELATED TO THIS ILLNESS. BECAUSE OF THE POSTURING AND DELAYS IN CDC INVESTIGATION I DOUBT THESE BEHIND THE SCENE MOTIONS ARE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. I am convinced personally that this illness will be the catalyst (biological attack) to be given when those in power declare martial law. (feel free to consider me paranoid). All preparations by this administration, bird flu, new detention centers and all recent passing of various laws granting the ability to declare martial law, are being made for the public disclosure of this agent we are infected by. Perhaps not, but there is without doubt much going on that we are not privy to.



London, you asked about any legal headway. All I can say is that trying to gain representation, even just to ask for an inquiry about tamtams disclosure, is very very difficult. This difficulty is NOT related to the money needed to gain said representation as several secure people have offered the money to fund this type of action. The attorneys I have spoken with are either scared or intimidated by this type of work. Even though there have been MANY high profile legal firms visiting my site.


So my question is: What or who applied pressure to the state of Georgia to have all reference to the below database removed?

This is the $64,000 question that if able to be answered would provide a wealth of information concerning this illness. This is obvious, even to those that may just be beginning to research this issue.










NEW SURVEILLANCE DATABASE
“UNIDENTIFIED DERMATOSIS SYNDROME”

Abstract: There have been reports to state and local public health agencies from residents
throughout Georgia of thread-like skin parasites in their skin, and a related set of symptoms.

In response, the Unidentified Dermatosis Syndrome (UDS) Surveillance Database was
developed and is maintained by the Chemical Hazards Program, Environmental Health Section,
Georgia Division of Public Health. It is intended to build and maintain self-reported symptom
surveillance capacity.

Jane M. Perry, Director
Chemical Hazards Program
Georgia Division of Public Health
Atlanta, Georgia
(404) 657-6534

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Mva ... us/pdfs/ha
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Postby southcity » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:26 pm

VERIFICATION OF WHAT TAMTAM HAS SAID CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN THESE STATISTICS. crossinglines.net is one year old today. The top 20 visitors sorted by number of visits per company for the entire year. Those listed with a * are visitors that tam has made certain references to.


companies / organizations
*1) Universiteit Maastricht (UM)
2) GOOGLE
3) Microsoft Corp
4) @Home Benelux Hengelo Headend block
**5) Boeing Computer Services
6) Whole Foods Market Services
**7) Lockheed-Martin Corporation
**8) Department of Veterans Affairs
9) Glasgow Caledonian University
10) Citizens Utilities
11) Tri-Lakes Net
12) Intel Corporation
13) ZIANET
14) CityNet
15) Naval Ocean Systems Center
16) HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY
17) Ohio State University
18) myeastern.com
**19) The United States Centers For Disease Control
20) Scream S/S



Also in reference to gaining legal representation. TamTam- this task can be financially secured in a reasonably short time. Care to share that letter? As it appears this is the holy grail as far as the building of attorney confidence to take on such an endeavor.
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Postby southcity » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:36 pm

One other web site referenced by myself recently while speaking with the CDC has closed their forum. this happened within 2 weeks of me speaking with Dan Rutz over the phone and in email. This is the email sent to Rutz.

Visit this link to reference the links contained in this letter.
http://crossinglines.net/communications ... he_cdc.htm bottom of the page.



From: southcity@crossinglines.net [mailto:southcity@crossinglines.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:45 AM
To: Rutz, Dan (CDC/CCID/NCPDCID)
Subject: Hello Mr Rutz, It's



Hello Mr. Rutz,



Sorry its taken me so long to get these links to you. My PC has been acting up lately. Anyway, when I first became symptomatic in 2002 there was no information to be found anywhere concerning these symptoms. Because the sensations this thing produces I naturally sought out entomology sites as well as any question and answer forums that could possibly provide me some answers. This is the first site I found http://www.e-bug.net/forum/index.shtml

This is a website and forum for a pest control company (exterminator). Here are some of the posts from the current month’s forum. These are only a few of the posts related to this disorder, However are the most prominent.



* Strange bug bites and Symptoms
* White lint-like bugs
* Small Cotton Like Floating Pests???
* strange bug bites...help
* Bug bites
* tiny white bugs
* Tiny bugs that bite in AZ
* whats biting me? i go pictures of bug! any ideas?
* what's biting me?
* little black flecks - are they biting mites??
* Bird Mites/tiny black bugs that bite
* invisible bugs
* How to catch an "invisible bug" (biting mite)
* Tiny black bugs,,,Itchy Crawly!!
* What bit me?
* tiny black bugs in my hair and bed PLEASE HELP
* insect bite

What makes this site so unique concerning the investigation underway is the archives it contains. If you go all the way back to 1999 and view the questions asked up to the present, you will see starting in 2002 an upward trend in people asking these types of questions where as in the older archives, these types of questions are very rarely asked. There are also some other websites from various dermatologists question and answer forums that this same trend can be witnessed. I will send these links to you once I run across them again. One other unique quality of these types of sites is that the questions are asked by people whom it appears have not heard of the term morgellons, nor appear to have been influenced by anything other than their own curiosity as to what is biting them.


Thank you for your time last week and I will update my sites log of conversations with you and the CDC which will reflect a change in attitude to one of restrained encouragement concerning your efforts.
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Postby southcity » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:52 pm

TamTam- would it be correct to consider a biosensor and a biomarker to be one and the same? If not, Is it possible this agent is being used as a biomarker for various special research projects? ie. cancer studies?


Taking a Look at FDA's Critical Path Initiative

"As represented through docket submissions, the medical product industry, in general, supports collaborative efforts with academia and the agency, and agrees that new product development tools will improve predictability and efficiency by providing better information on the safety and effectiveness of investigational products at earlier stages in development.

Importantly, the initiative must not substitute for improvements in the review process. In addition, the regulatory pathway for certain types of products, such as combination and tissue-engineered products, must be clarified."

http://www.genengnews.com/articles/chit ... 271&chid=0
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Postby standby » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:17 pm

southcity wrote:PROOF of The Political nature of this illness. The state of Georgia had started a SURVEILLANCE DATABASE earlier this year. All existance of this database has since disappeared from the net.

A CACHED COPY IS NOT AVAILABLE EITHER. google caches everything and it takes special requests to google to have them remove any cached copies from being found with using their search engine. note: it is not only google, all the search engines I know of have all scrubbed all reference to this database.

The state of georgia cannot claim this to be from simply cleaning their websites as other programs in their HAZARDS archives are available still with the oldest I found in a quick search was dated 2003. Yet nothing concerning this new UDS as they called it can be found anywhere.


So my question is: What or who applied pressure to the state of Georgia to have all reference to the below database removed?

This is the $64,000 question that if able to be answered would provide a wealth of information concerning this illness. This is obvious, even to those that may just be beginning to research this issue.



If this is indeed the case the explanation may not be as deep and conspiratorial as you imply.

I was aware of this Georgia study/survey long before it made it's public appearance on the net and these message boards. It was confirmed that is was exclusively a study/survey taking place in Georgia.

When It became apparent that an obvious effort was being made to destribute and USE it in other states I was in a state of disbelief and quite concerned that Georgia's effort at an environmental approach of investigation would be disrupted by inexperience, unprofessionalism and sensationalism.

From my standpoint this is more likely what did happen IF it's existance has truely disappeared and it come to a screeching hault.

I really hope this is not the case as far as we all are concerned.
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Postby mfromcanada » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:13 am

southcity, this information is all very disturbing. It is bad enough being told you are delusional when in reality there is a conspiracy of some type going on. I would just as soon not have some psychotic diagnosis placed upon me to fulfill some unknown agenda. There was an article in our local paper the other day that stated the most prescribed drug in the province was an anti-psychotic. It also talked about numerous violent outbursts by residents of nursing homes who are being prescribed these drugs. It is an outrage.

Skytroll, What article did you want the link to?
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Postby Linn » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:38 am

Nothing new going on here :lol:
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Postby Doc44 » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:02 am

Some self centered, egotistical individuals have very often in the past history of this disease stuck there nose into everything new going on using the word "I" to claim credit for everything being done. In most cases the new project or involved professionsals folded.
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Postby Nadas Moksha » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:04 am

It's not even clear that we're getting something in return for
our increasing insecurity. "We see computers everywhere but in the
productivity statistics," notes MIT economist Robert Solow.[25] A neo-
Luddite tendency is emerging, represented by writers such as Theodore
Roszak,[26] Kirkpatrick Sale,[27] and John Zerzan.[28] Sale recently
smashed a computer with a sledgehammer in front of 1,500 people at New York City's Town Hall. Zerzan doesn't own a computer on philosophical grounds. (Perhaps it's just as well. Once while I was tripping with him in 1974, Zerzan remarked that his stereo wasn't working. I instantly discovered that his cables were plugged into the wrong jacks, and presto, we had rock and roll.)
And all it would take to get a warrant to monitor the Internet backbone
would be to complain about Bulgarian viruses to the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Court. Between 1979 and 1994, this secret court approved a
total of 8,130 surveillance actions submitted to it by federal agencies,
and has yet to deny even one application.[43]

Apparently there's more to information warfare than hackers and
Pentagon buzz words, overpaid OPSEC consultants, economic intelligence,
and surveillance of financial networks. Something else could be going on
here, and Alvin Toffler offers a clue:

The shift to third-wave information warfare is ... ultimately a
battle for control of the information flows of the world. In the
Gulf War you saw classic examples of the use of propaganda and
perception management.... [In Washington] you had a young woman
appear before television cameras and talk about babies being ripped
out of incubators in Kuwait.... It later turned out that she was
related to the Kuwaiti embassy and that she was really apparently
following a script. In the era of information warfare, all of that
is going to become far more important and be managed with far more
sophistication.[44]

So one important aspect of infowar, it would seem, is disinformation.
This makes it especially difficult: it's not enough to be merely informed,
because now it's also necessary to consider the motives and agendas of
every source of information. With twice as much access to information
today, that means four times as much work. Few of us are up for the
challenge.

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6805/articl ... nfowar.txt
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