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Postby London » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:17 am

Dear Ddx,

I think I might have had them when the first major initative into Hell-outbreak occurred (Morgellons) They were in hair follicles-especially eyelashes. The reason I suspect it to have been Collembola is simply due to the fact that I actually felt one push away-spring9if you will) from my left top eyelashes. Two weeks worth of Sulper antibiotic ridded this.
But my friend, I had only a small case of them.

Also at this time, some sort of parasitic creature in my left ear canal ( it had resided there for at least two years prior) also disseminated.

I could not find too much on this ancient worm- nno graphics at all.

Try garlic-eat fresh. raw----Must chew as much as possible

Get spray bottle 3/4 water to 1/4 tea-tree oil (or less t.tree) and carry it with you all thru the day. Mist into the air, etc. Spray all over your body.

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Postby tamtam » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:39 pm

keywords:

quorum sensing inhibitor/ garlic

More articles with google.


QS Blocker
SCREENING AND TARGET VALIDATION OF QUORUM SENSING BLOCKERS IN ... Extracts of
garlic were shown to be particularly effective in blocking QS in P. aeruginosa ...
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Postby ruth » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:50 pm

tam-tam's posts seems right on to me.

MY MOTH EXPERIENCES:

i've been infested since july 1997. my infestation seemed to be mature by year 5, as their main shoots were in place so no more intense drilling pain esp thru bones.
BUT
i really thought i would NEVER share this with anyone..... ............... but here goes............

in the spring of of 1999.....

i have alway thought (seen) that i put out pieces of the whole that finds each other and becomes.............

i had my 'lab' in my bedroom with tons of samples everywhere. i isolated in my bedroom trying to figure out what was going on, and to not contaminate others as i was.

i would watch forms jump, gather more energy, jump until they join together with another form and 'lock and key' together and become one, over and over.

i watched creation take place in front of my eyes as mucous blobs from my eyes would become specific forms
the forms would find each other by some kind of electrical energy. from what i remember, each form had an antennae fiber of sorts to guide them to one another and lead me to believe the different fibers have a part to play in the making of the finished product like possibly blood vessels, tendons, etc.

i could not find where the forms would all jump to until one day i moved a stack of shirts on a lower less used shelf. in back of the stack, there was a large variety of forms all hanging together.
my room was the only room in a large house that produced the large moths.
one of the stick-forms that exited my skin, eventually turned into a beautiful (i felt 'she') moth. her wings were still folded around her in a spiral, but i remember her as being dark colored with large eyes. too bad i lost her in my moves.

the bathroom was directly over the cellar. the bottom of the tub could be visualized. the forms that came out of me at the bath would hang from webs in the cellar. outside the cellar was my rose garden, one of the jute rose ties was going into the cellar, when i pulled and dug up the jute there was a large bed of the forms about a foot underground they were laying on spongy-like soil ........only the forms were larger than i had seen come out of me, they continued to grow larger in the soil!!!
i got evicted from this house before i could see the results of their garden. some of the river rocks in their bed had lots of amber crystals growing on them, no where else in the yard or neighborhood could the crystals on river rock be found. i would vibrate when i held them .
i'd like to go dig around in that yard, but the owners won't let me.
i also vibrate when i am around others infested.

when i lived in az. the trailer didn't have enough slope, so i'd have to flush out the toilet line with water, i wasn't consistent in doing that and in my toilet there was always the small fly looking hairy moths, and lots of them. no one else in the trailer court had them in their lines.


can you see why i've not told my moth stories?

please be kind, i am fragile. it's been over 8 years of dealing with this phenomenon.
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Postby DJ » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:33 pm

So has anyone found out exactly what Morgellons is yet? Is it actually different from delusional parasitosis or cutaneous dysaesthesia? Has an infectious agent been found yet?
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Postby Skytroll » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:56 pm

Live and let live.

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Postby DJ » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:06 am

Skytroll wrote:HI DC,

look here.

look familiar?

http://www.crossinglines.net/

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Actually it doesn't look familiar, but more like a conspiracy theory. No offense. And to ruth, I think maybe you need to treat your illness with a drug that can relieve psychosomatic symptoms. Have you looked into seeing a psychiatrist? Just my opinion.
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Postby London » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:58 pm

Dearest TamTam,

How are you? How lethal is this fiber disease? In regards to chiton/cellulose: Did you know that many paper and textile industries are very interested?

Regarding Hair Follicle: Hair Cycle-Associated Changes in the Skin Immune System

"In addition to its dramatic effects on skin architecture and the proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis of many extrafollicular cell populations synchronized hair follicle cycling has profound effects on standard skin immune parameters."


Are you referring to our bodies stress response signal?
Was the wound dressing you referred to a surgical dressing made with nanotechnology? Wounds incite inflammation and thus call on immune cells. The skin and our mucous membranes are our first defense mechanisms right?

The infections you listed which relate to the diseases you describe,
could this also possibly relate to microsporidiosis? I fear this disease/bacteria has colonized in my lungs.

Understanding the factors relevant to initial bacterial attachment,
evasion of host defenses, and establishment of infection are most critical here.

Will you please share with me any knowledge you have regarding my above questions? I have been doing all the homework assignments you have given. Nearly all, that is.

Thank you again,

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Postby DJ » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:13 pm

Skytroll wrote:DJ,

:evil: :?

Evil comes in many forms doesn't it? Yep, chalk it up to conspiracy theory. You must be listening to MAIN STREAM MEDIA, the gutless wonders who cannot report truthfully.

They forgot how to investigate, that is why we are doing it here.

What are you hiding?

And to say that to Ruth, you sound like those a hole doctors who are merely wimps of the AMA. They are as cruel as you are.

We mean business here.......You must not suffer from this otherwise you would not be saying things like that to Ruth.

Ruth, :wink: 8) :) :roll: look up. God loves you.

I love ya.....don't let nerds like this hurt you.

And yes, you are have every right to report what you are finding because that is exactly what is there. The troops are coming out to defend their evil actions.

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Well, you're right. I don't have Morgellons. But I still see no reason why Ruth should not see a psychiatrist. It can only help, and if her problem is not psychosomatic, then this should be ruled out by a professional. It always troubles me when someone adamantly resists a certain type of treatment. It makes me think that they know the truth behind their illness but refuse to come to grips with the fact. All I'm saying is to give it a shot. The thing about psychosomatic ailments is that you do not know that your condition is a psychosis until it is gone. You are convinced that your sickness is physical in nature and no one can tell you otherwise. That's why I think you should rule out a mental ailment first. I am not saying this applies to all Morgellons sufferers, I am only doing my best to understand this better.

Also, are there any accredited studies that I can look at of research pertaining to pathogens, patients, or fiber/speck samples from a Morgellons sufferer? Thanks in advance.
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Postby Cilla » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:55 pm

Hi DJ,
I am sure that you mean well, but you cannot really say these things about Ruth. Why not? For one reason, any diagnosis of a mental illness in such circumstances is one of exclusion. This means that a psychiatrist should only be consulted after a physician in the relevant specialist area (e.g. parasitology) has thoroughly examined the patient, and has found no abnormal physical clinical features. It seems to me that lesions which emit strange (to say the least) fibers would and could not be classified as such. Just because a patient gives a descriptive, maybe even imaginative, account of this does not indicate mental illness. Furthermore, when one views pictures of these strange fibers, and sees the ways in which they move, even when removed from the bodily lesions, this in itself should be enough to forestall scepticism. I would not readily disbelieve almost any account of what individuals say have emerged from such lesions. When you read Tamtam's knowledgeable remarks, and add these to the diverse range of clinical features, it seems to me more than credible that we are perhaps in the midst of something new, or at least not recognized before. Another reason why you cannot say such things is that 'psychosomatic' is not in any sense synonymous with 'psychosis'. Psychosomatic ailments are actually real conditions which are classically thought to have an emotional element, e.g. psoriasis, peptic ulcer, asthma, from the Greek psyche = mind, soma =body. I think you really meant hypochondrias, where an individual might imagine they have certain conditions. This is a neurosis, though, which is still very far removed from a psychosis. If you meant delusional parasitosis, once again, although this is a psychosis, it can only be diagnosed properly after extensive and expert exclusion. There is such a condition, of course, but people who have a physical condition want the treatment for that. Can you imagine being in such pain and distress, and having horrible physical signs that are objectively verifiable, and yet being told that you are psychotic? I do not find that acceptable in the 21st century. If a person does have delusional parasitosis they of course need the proper treatment too, and should be given this, and dealt with professionally and courteously. What should not happen is misdiagnosis, or a massive failure to see what is clearly visible by any reasonably sighted person, never mind highly paid medical professionals.
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Postby southcity » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:35 pm

wow, where did you come from cilla! And how can you be persuaded to take a more active interest in this? that was a very powerfull reply, to merely say your reply was very well spoken would be a major understatement. thank you from myself and many others no doubt.
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in reference to cilla's reply

Postby DJ » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:00 pm

Thank you for the reply, but I think you were too busy trying to poke holes in my previous post that you entirely missed the connections I made.

As far as to what I can say about Ruth, this is to my own discretion. When given such an imaginative description as the one that Ruth gave which includes quotes such as:

i have alway thought (seen) that i put out pieces of the whole that finds each other and becomes.............


i had my 'lab' in my bedroom with tons of samples everywhere. i isolated in my bedroom trying to figure out what was going on, and to not contaminate others as i was.
i watched creation take place in front of my eyes as mucous blobs from my eyes would become specific forms
the forms would find each other by some kind of electrical energy.


the bottom of the tub could be visualized. the forms that came out of me at the bath would hang from webs in the cellar


some of the river rocks in their bed had lots of amber crystals growing on them, no where else in the yard or neighborhood could the crystals on river rock be found. i would vibrate when i held them .
i'd like to go dig around in that yard, but the owners won't let me.
i also vibrate when i am around others infested.


…it becomes apparent that talking to a qualified counselor with a medical background is a very good idea indeed.

I am not ruling out that certain phenomena could have been experienced by Ruth. But if you believe the descriptions as given in the above quotes to be those from a rationally thinking human being, then I envy your faith in the statements of others.

As to when one should see a psychiatrist, the exclusionary principle as you so stated does not apply anymore. In the past, psychiatry has been perceived as being a hit or miss, soft science if you will. Today, advances in psychiatric medicine give the qualified physician a much needed tool in diagnosing all aspects of a patient’s condition. In many cases (such as I believe in this one), a line between purely somatic symptoms and mental illness cannot be drawn because the two are intertwined in such a way as to prevent the isolation of one from the other. Sometimes just having a qualified counselor to talk with can lead to drastic improvements in one’s condition.

Also, many of the case studies in which a patient claims to have been infected with Morgellons disease are in fact cases of delusional parasitosis. When given the prescribed medication such as pimozide or risperidon many of said patients show an improved condition or recovery.

If you would like, I will explain why I used the terms “psychosomatic “and “psychosis” so that it will be easier for you to understand my previous post.

I am well aware of the meanings of these terms. I used the term “psychosomatic” in reference to the lesions found on the skin of some of the other posters. In many psychosomatic cases that involve one or multiple psychoses, there is a direct correlation between the state of the body and the state of the mind. If one were to think that bugs, motile “fibers”, or any other type of foreign particle/matter were beneath the skin then certain lesions will appear in many cases as the patient is desperately trying to create an escape from the body for these particular foreign objects. If you observe cases of delusional parasitosis, you will notice that many patients have multiple lesions, lacerations and unattended sores on their body. Also, feelings of burning, itching, and the bruising I noticed mentioned in a few posts can be directly linked to a psychosomatic illness.

As to why I used the term psychosis, if this is not evident by the way I have responded in this post and previous ones, then I am sorry but I cannot baby you and explain the English language step-by-step.

My field is microbiology and cell/molecular bio, which is why I have taken an interest in this condition in the first place. I will be conferring with other faculty members in the future as to their opinions on Morgellons disease. But before I become too involved, it is in my best interest to rule out factors that do not apply to my field of expertise, not only to prevent me from following a ghost trail, but to also prevent my findings from influencing others and providing sufferers with a false sense of hope. BUT, I will not make any definite judgments, nor have I made any yet (although for some reason many are already on the defensive), until I can observe a case physically and with my own eyes. The internet is a fantastic tool for the spreading of information, but it is also a notorious breeding ground of false information, misleading texts and experimental data, and outright lies.

Also, it is a good idea that those seeking advice from this forum carefully consider the sticky entitled "Reminder about on-line diagnosis". It is there for a reason.
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dj may I have a minute please.

Postby southcity » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:43 am

I understand your position simply by understanding what a disclosure such as this could mean to personal job security. People are already leery of the world of genetic modication its hard to predict how they will feel when they find out a organism modified by man, for what ever purpose, is most likely at some point going to affect their health in a most horrific way..

However this cannot be avoided for much longer as this has already been kept under wraps for many many years.. to many people are now showing the same symptoms. and the ranks of those are getting larger...

as far as some valid research having been done. Not exactly BUT there are some that have attempted to begin and however were stopped before they were started.. example the Director of human health services in Duval County FL. stated that there was now ample cause for concern and pledged to begin and investigation into this earlier this year see here http://www.cbs47.com/news/reports/story ... E8599D16B7

One month after this tv interview this well respected long term health official was fired and even after publicly refusing to play ball with the attorney general and governer of florida was reinstated as HHS director and also this was when this study stopped dead in its tracts.. As I said this is as political as it can get..

Here is what the CDC had to say about it when asked by senator Graham "skin diseases such as this have been a topic of concern for quite some time" see attached file

One thing we all have in common even though this thing presents itself in many different ways. are the fuzzies as I call them. we all have seen and associated them with this illness. Many pictures have been taken but none no where near as clear as the one Ill attach here as well.. this is in the video that can be seen on my site..

Now in regards to your professional opinion what do you think of the 4 minutes available here. http://www.crossinglines.net/The%20caus ... efault.htm

use explorer and when prompted allow active content to view.. Higher digital resolution is available though not linked to because of large size of file and bandwith considerations.. to any credentialed research person or physician I will provide link to download Digital high quality version.. simply email me at southcity@nondelusional.com.

If you would give me all the details that come to mind after you view it.. eg what level of lab is capable of producing this, if you have seen anthing like this. etc etc.. dont hold back and pick this video apart for us. I will say that english is not the presenters primary language however so go easy on his english and occasional typo.

Thank you
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Heres a photo that I took myself of this most seen object related to this illness.. as in the other photo provided.. spots of a butterfly. dominent gene input, might this be correct?
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