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Postby Cilla » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:06 pm

Hi all,

London, do not worry, I did not take your post personally, and be assured that all of your posts get my full and often reconsidered attention. I am more than pleased that you are on this site, for many reasons.

If the feathers are the most important thing about this affliction, do not lose the focus of their full assessment within the discussion. (Unless and until Tam tam states that this is all nonsense, and nothing whatsoever to do with his citing 'bird technology' within the experiment that led to the stray target. Tam tam has never mentioned feathers, although I would say that Sabrina's logic in linking this phenomenon to bird technology is 'too much', in the sense of 'groovy').

To those of you who offered to send feathers (which, understandably, you are unsure as to whether they definitely seemed to emerge from your follicles, or if they came floating from the environment) to my friend the neurologist, the answer is no.

You are all from different places throughout the world.

There is an embargo currently within the UK on allowing the import of 'untreated feathers', whatever that may mean, and, in any case, the origin of at least some of the feathers spotted is obscure.

Furthermore, he would not know what to do with them. He is only interested in the possible neurological manifestations of this disease, such as patients who may present with a neurogenic bladder like condition, or a clinical picture suggestive of, (but which may not be), multiple sclerosis, or amylotrophic lateral sclerosis.

The clinical practice of neurology is very specialised, and, by its nature, a full time job. It does not lend itself to any form of 'remote' or 'virtual' diagnosing or consultation, so any suggestion that he joins up to receive personal messages is a non-starter. He already works until he drops, so where would he find the time, in any case? Furthermore, he would not interfere with another doctor's patient.

He does want to know more about this extremely strange condition, although predominantly from a neurological perspective. I am going to introduce certain aspects into the conversation, and he is already very interested in the work of the doctor who is in the UK, since he was referred by the Morgellons Research Foundation. He also said something about having a word with the Dean of the Post-Graduate Medical Faculty. This is how medical knowledge grows. Doctors are convinced, in the main, by other doctors, or by scientists, or by published evidence based research. Naturally, he allocates a certain amount of his time to personal research and professional development, and he uses this time in the most effective manner.

Befour, you mentioned something about geographical locations. This may have come to you in a dream. I do not expect you to name names publicly, because of libel, but it might be an idea to get your maps out, and to trace certain points, and to consider what they (conceptually) have in common.

What do we know already about possibilities within the UK? Crates arriving by the sea, for one thing. Where else, between the two points mentioned, might the sea impinge upon the coast? Do not go full fathom five this time, London. 'Tis true that we have yet to analyse the squid, but Tam tam said the creatures of the deep mentioned by you are not so important.

Lucretia, a philosopher friend of mine, thinks that you all know more than you think you know. She is not a scientist, (although has a good academic grounding in this), and is fascinated by the philosophy of science. She says, if you concentrate, you will see signs, and you will intuit the right answers.

'How will they see signs?' I asked. 'The universe will give them to them' she answered. 'How will they get the right answers?' I asked. 'The language embedded in the DNA, theirs and the 'other' will tell them', she said.

She added that research has been undertaken at Boston University and Harvard Medical School, has demonstrated, by the use of Zipf's law, (a mathematical test), that the three percent of DNA that we know and understand contains no language. However, the results are very different when the test is applied to the other 97 per cent. Lucretia states that this, far from being 'junk' DNA, is full of language, according to the scientists from the aforementioned institutions.

And also full of meaningful messages, according to Lucretia. 'Is the way to getting the right answers something to do with language?' I asked. 'It's all about language' she answered, in something the same way Tam tam did re, 'It's all about cloning', when I enquired about this.

'Do not lose the focus on the feathers' she advised, 'because getting the right answers is fundamentally about the intelligent application of language and meaning'.
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Postby Cilla » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:07 pm

Hi again,

Befour, you mentioned something about geographical locations. This may have come to you in a dream. I do not expect you to name names publicly, because of libel, but it might be an idea to get your maps out, and to trace certain points, and to consider what they (conceptually) have in common.

What do we know already about possibilities within the UK? Crates arriving by the sea, for one thing. Where else, between the two points mentioned, might the sea impinge upon the coast? Do not go full fathom five this time, London. 'Tis true that we have yet to analyse the squid, but Tam tam said the creatures of the deep mentioned by you are not so important.

Lucretia, a philosopher friend of mine, thinks that you all know more than you think you know. She is not a scientist, (although has a good academic grounding in this), and is fascinated by the philosophy of science. She says, if you concentrate, you will see signs, and you will intuit the right answers.

'How will they see signs?' I asked. 'The universe will give them to them' she answered. 'How will they get the right answers?' I asked. 'The language embedded in the DNA, theirs and the 'other' will tell them', she said.

She added that research has been undertaken at Boston University and Harvard Medical School, has demonstrated, by the use of Zipf's law, (a mathematical test), that the three percent of DNA that we know and understand contains no language. However, the results are very different when the test is applied to the other 97 per cent. Lucretia states that this, far from being 'junk' DNA, is full of language, according to the scientists from the aforementioned institutions.

And also full of meaningful messages, according to Lucretia. 'Is the way to getting the right answers something to do with language?' I asked. 'It's all about language' she answered, in something the same way Tam tam did re, 'It's all about cloning', when I enquired about this.

'Do not lose the focus on the feathers' she advised, 'because getting the right answers is fundamentally about the intelligent application of language and meaning'.
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Postby Cilla » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:12 pm

Sorry about duplicating part of the above post! I was trying to send you something else, but will do so later.

And, yes, we are starting to move mountains, Sabrina. Have no fear about that.

Lots of love and best wishes to you all.
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Postby RANDY » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:20 pm

http://unknowndisease.proboards2.com/

Forgot about me...wow..my feelings are hurt.

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Postby Linn » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:48 pm

Hi ukguy you are right on bout how it works
with the doctors, I too have figured out the
"game" some things to not do when you go to the dr. (tht should be tips in the E-book!! :)

RE; the brewers yeast

I do npt claim to be the expert on this,
however I have researches NP for 30years and have practiced.

Candida albicans id not the same "yeast" its not really
even a yeast like you are thinking. Taking brewers yeast
shouldnt hurt, however if you are concerned thn just take
regular B-complex with extra thiamine)B1) I am not a doctor
or diagnosing any one remember, just sharing that info in case
you NTK There have been studies that show giving brewers yeast to dogs for fleas acts as a repellent.
London and I were discussing about why some people seem to repell insects and others are like a magnet.

In addition, putting vinegar on your skin had no affect on candida.

candida remember is a naturaly occuring organism of the body,
It is when the immune system is compromised that it
can overpopulate.
regards,
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Postby Linn » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:55 pm

RANDY wrote:http://unknowndisease.proboards2.com/

Forgot about me...wow..my feelings are hurt.

Randy

Randy dear :)
do you think I forget about you? :(

no I was wondering where you have gone???

Did you and I discuss b1 here?
sorry if I forgot :oops:
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Postby yet again » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:06 am

Cilla,
regarding Befour's "geographical locations" comment and connection, please see this site, it is a database by a person named Alex, (thank you Alex!)

http://home.comcast.net/~usp-db/index.htm

Regards to all.
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Postby in_the_uk » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:22 am

Yet again: what a find!

Cilla: if then are restrictions on sending untreated bird feathers into the uk then would you like me to find you some? I know where there is 1 but it has been marinading in fly spray fumes for a while.

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Postby Skytroll » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:23 am

Linn,

Most of the information can come from Lymebusters board.

alex has a survey, already and it covers many things, plus a map, if we can get that weblink on here, we could utilize that with permission from Alex.

See what I can do, maybe mention it and you can look at it, would save us work, plus most of the people with this are centered on the Morgellons thread on lymebusters board.

Also, many of the personal experience are already out there on the Lyme board.

Plus there are other sites for lymes also,

Smurf has a lot of info on his site.

Helen,

The pamphlet is one thing, the E-book would be another. The pamphlet should come out of the work that will go into the E-book.

So 2 two things going on here.

First the pamphlet from stuff we gather put in PDF format, I do have Microsoft.

But, if Uk can do this and set it up on a web page perhaps? have the e book listed at later date when we complete, but have Introduction on web page.


Skipbait offered some help with possible web page?
did I get that right Skipbait?

Cliff Michelson has various sites

Carnicom has a list of ingredients in aerosol operations spray.

I have correspondence from NIH, from congressman, senators, a local letter from county on BTK and ingredients when that was used, have had contact with DNR, Mi. colleges studying water,
local public health on algae and mycocystins, zebra muscles.

Many on Lymebusters board have sent into to LeighAnn on Alabama Activity to get law team established. Not just about Alabama it is about Morgellons, Activism and Justice. Will have a lawyer, possibly team for future.

so, Linn to see survey results, you could take those from Alex's survey, and Smurf has a petition. I do believe that on AND I AM SO SORRY I MISSED THIS ONE, unknownskindisease.com and are there surveys on there? some doctors. Nuspa, probably will not go in with us here. Also there are others on other boards too. If we can find them all that we know of and put them together.

like there is a thread that Cliff has on the cotton worm. There is another pertaining to mercury nematodes, etc. If with a search we can get all the webs links onto the e-book would be great.

What do you think Linn?

What about the physics and engineering people you know. do they know anything about carbon? nanotubes, nanowires, and the new energy paradigms, Moores Law, and or Boehms?
This is one area that is a bit foggy. But, the connection to viruses, bacteria and nanofibers, and gold. There are some things on that, and also related to nanoparticles, that the Epa is now studying for effects on humans. I have the Epa study on that.

Or, what about using Southcity's site for the pamphlet, or the Tam Tam site? Could that work UK guy? Then we wouldn't be repeating the same info, that is already out there.

We can just organize it there. Or do we want this to be exclusively organized material from all the sites we know of pertaining to Morgellons?

What I see are a lot of people on some boards who do not want to tell their story again, when it is on Alex's survey, Smurfs site, the unknowskindisease site, Nuspa site, etc. Lymebusters site, morgellons usa, etc.

Linn, I tell you what, I can list the sites, here and if you cannot get on them, let me know, and I will summarize them

observations and studies are wonderful by Flutterby,Speculation, Anthill,

Ladycop working with the Phorid flies.

So, many and I do not think they will come over here and post. I can post there and see if they will.

For instance there is a blood study.

What is your blood type: Majority are + and has been categorized. MOre keep posting and it continues to be updated.

So, let me know if you want a new questionaire entirely, or if we can use what we have.

Incidently, there are many actions going on there.

all of these could be organized together, coming from different directions.

I can mention this on the board there and see if we can get them to come here, if you have your own questionaire, Lynn. The pamphlet does not have to be that detailed though. At least our first one.

Or we could use the ones we have along with your questionaire, whatever you think, to save some time.

This is so do-able!

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Postby Skytroll » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:30 am

Randy,

I am so embarassed. Please forgive me. I forgot your site. I am so glad you put it out.

I get a bit foggy sometimes, but, still keep pushing ahead.

YET AGAIN,

That is the survey I was speaking of. Most Morgellons sufferers are on there. Please go on there too, anyone on this thread. Add to the survey.

That is the map yes, Befour, it is excellent.

Okay, that is what I mean, we can save time.
Will look for the others too.

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Postby Skytroll » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:41 am

Uk guy,

I read your points. All considered, but, beg to differ on the collembola. And this is my opinion, that they eat dead and decaying material, our dead and dying outer skin. But, then again the yeast is vegetative too. So we both could be right.

However, that Collembola study should be put in the pamphlet also.

I will work out the overview and use facts, Dr. Wymores findings, and yes if you can do static pictures of the fibers, UK guy, that would be great.
I have some pictures pertaining to the Phorid flies
from those affected.

Also we have some of worms on the other site.


Lets roll this baby!

Skytroll

The moving and sensing is seen on the video of Tam Tam's. So that could show the creepy crawly feeling.

The lesions, yyz, had some good pictures on here.
So, these were saved, I believe,, on this thread.

Genoming is another thing, now I can find the 4 things used to study genes, homeobox info, biomicrobes used by bioremediation.

Agriculture another angle and all it entails.
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Postby Skytroll » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:23 am

Linn and Helen,

Treatment and protocols,

Here is detox and treatment, if mercury is involved and nematode sludge.
Also note states that have high % of this. See note at top.
Many Morgellons sufferers are on this forum also.

http://www.mercuryexposure.org/forum/index.php#rss

Also, we may need permission to use any info off here below, unless documented exclusively.

There are many on here that are not on other boards, but, do have same situations.

http://216.122.128.184/dc/dcboard.php

We have a doctor here using integrated medicine
Protocol will follow:
http://www.familymedgaithersburg.com/

The following from Bananny at:
http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde ... 570&page=1
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