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Postby RANDY » Wed May 17, 2006 3:03 am

Thank you for your input.

This particular worm you mentioned can be found and identified and as far as I know, was excluded from the mix . NUSPA has been around for many years..alomst 8 I think and most of those theories have circled the barn a few times...along with dental fillings and flukes.

This thing we have can not be identified and that is why it is so strange. No one has defined what this is yet and no tests have bsen created to ID it. It is a medical mystery so far with no real medical people on our bandwagon..that can do any type of genome research.

These fibers, which may be a worm or bug or something but is most likely a by-product of mutated DNA which the ribosomes make an exact copy which is also irregular and then this faulty copy creates a protein, we have not yet identified that creates or is these so called fibers. This theory has not yet been investigated.

My belief is looking for things that already exist will not do us any good.
My belief is that due to DNA (genes) being replicated that are faulty we are producing this in ourselves.

Finding out what makes the DNA faulty is our greatest quest. I believe is has to do with pesticides being sprayed to kill drug crops in South America. Look what Agent Orange did and what it was suppose to do.

I also believe that this product effects our immune system and depletes our body of necessary nutrients which give us a rotting smell to the insect world which then in turn decides to parasitically hang out on us for the ride of their and our lifetime.

Keep on searching..we can use all the help we can get.

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Postby Linn » Wed May 17, 2006 3:03 am

foreign devil
thank you for caring. :) I read about the horse hair worm before but I do not remember, so I will refresh my memory on it.

What it seems is that there may be more than one
thing going on here w/ different symptoms/ different size
and shape fibers and vectors. There are some surveys available with data _at_ lymebusters forum: http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=rash

Gout is not too nice of a condition either.
My mom has the begining of that.
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Postby foreign devil » Wed May 17, 2006 4:05 am

Randy and Lynne:

Thanks for the welcome and the information. I'm back and forth at the moment between this and another forum (politics), which is why I didn't respond immediately. I only just read about it in the course of other research and couldn't get it out of my mind. So I started looking up Morgellons and then Fiber Disease and then went to the bug world. Since the horsehair worm seemed to be the closest to the symptoms exhibited when that presents itself, I thought that even though it's not been invasive in the past, it's everywhere, very common and as you say...pesticides (not so common now) or whatever, might have caused it to mutate.

On the other hand, if it's like a cyst that the body itself forms and it's been activated by something as you suggest, Randy, then that is a different story.

When was this first discovered recently. I understand there were reports of it in the Middle Ages so maybe it's just more common now because something (microwaves? whatever) are causing it to show up.

What's the best reference material you've found and point me there and I'll read up and get back to the thread. Maybe not tonight but this week sometime. I'm certainly intrigued.

As for me the beginnings of gout are almost like having a bad sprained ankle. The only thing I noticed besides the swelling was the crystals around my toes, the nailbed. Then later they started popping out in other places. They are the same thing that makes kidney stones in fact gout sufferers have too much uric acid in their blood and it causes these symptoms. The only thing you can do is cut back on protein and drink lots of water to flush the system.
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Postby Linn » Wed May 17, 2006 4:21 am

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For the defiition of Morgellons
Here is one place for starters:

http://www.morgellons.org

I must get some zzzs its way past my bed time :(
Too much research tonight
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Lymph overload

Postby Maggie Mae » Wed May 17, 2006 2:03 pm

To all -
I read an article in the New England Journal of Medicine with regard to
"dismeminated actinomycosis" and the photos of a patient were way too similar to our stuff. They say it was believed that a fungus could not live in the blood stream but that cases show it has jumped and one of the most common misdiagnosed diseases....

drainage of the lymph glands will manifest like leaky volcanos around our bodies especially in the neck area. Sporonex kills fungus. Has anyone taken any recently?

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Postby Barz » Wed May 17, 2006 3:06 pm

I wouldn't rule anything out at this stage in the game, however, I thought everyone was looking for a gram negative bacteria??

Tam Tam. Please, I have a small daughter who is ill. We have been told that we are dellusional. I have had no medical treatment for myself or any of my children due to the doctors failure to find anything of significance. I beg of you to help us as much as you can. You have been helpful to many here. You have been giving out a few more clues lately. It just torments me that you may have more answers. I honestly have no where else to turn. No over the counter treatments have helped. Yes, some offer slight relief. I do not care how bad this disease or whatever it is affects me. It is killing me watching my children suffer. I would gladly take all of their symptoms. I would gladly walk in front of a high-speed train, for that matter, if I knew it would help them. Please, Please, kind sir, I am pleading for your help. I know that you have some compassion, I ask of you to please tell us something that we can take to someone, anyone, that will open their eyes to this.

I have sent out the video to blogs. I have e-mailed many people. I just do not know, honestly, how much more of this I can handle. Thanks for your time. BARZ
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Postby southcity » Wed May 17, 2006 3:57 pm

Hang in there Barz. New video footage will be made available around the 20th and the national exposure is just starting. the more media attention the faster he will update info. that is starting to happen quickly now. Hang in there bud.
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Postby RANDY » Wed May 17, 2006 5:22 pm

South,

Are you telling a person with a sick child to wait until a video is out in order to get info that may help his child? What is that about! My heavens!!!! PM him now..what is wrong with you?

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Postby southcity » Wed May 17, 2006 7:07 pm

what I have been saying is that more research is needed before a suseptability profile for this thing is able to be established. the video is drawing attention. more attention equals higher priority for research funding which is the only way to get the answers barz, myself and others search for. my question is what's the matter with you? what have you done to help these goals? better yet, what have you done to hinder them?
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Postby Cilla » Wed May 17, 2006 7:38 pm

Hi all, and to Barz especially,

I really feel for you, being so ill yourself, and having the additional unbearable torture of seeing your daughter suffer. I echo Southcity's encouragement to hang in there, because I do feel that things are going to change soon.

I would advise people to stick to the point. The last two posts of Tam tam are the first where he has mentioned a laboratory being awarded a permit, (or otherwise) to do work at the containment level of 3.

Therefore, the biosafety containment level 3, (at least), is central to the argument.

Tam tam also mentioned the NIH. If you peruse their website, you will find crucial information on maintaining the safety of experiments done at the higher levels of containment, viz. 3 and 4. Not every application to do such research would be granted, and the laboratories have to be specially constructed, so that they meet the strict requirements of being so secure that the leak of any dangerous cloned microorganism, or infected arthropod, e.g., cannot occur.

This is the organisation to whom you, or at least one of you, should write. You could state that you, and, if appropriate, your child, would seem to have been infected with an unkown pathogen, as a result of which you are suffering terribly. This predicament would seem to be shared by other American citizens, as demonstrated on this web site.

You could go on to say that a person who states that he is a scientist has repeatedly and consistently averred that, for those who have this condition, the cause of it has been the leak, or the stray target, of a cloned microorganism, from an experimental class at the level of C3.

When talking about dangerous laboratory emissions, he has said:

'The same concept must have been released in the US about 2000'.

You could mention something about the timeline of this infection first occurring, and the geographical clusters affected in the U.S., such as the Bay Area of San Francisco.

Most importantly, this scientist would seem to have indicated that the geographical areas affected in the U.S. would not necessarily have a direct, in the sense of geographical directness, link to the postulated C3 laboratory concerned.

He has repeatedly urged:

'Demand criminal investigation!'

He has stated this route in direct preference to any possible initial civil suit under the tort, e.g. of negligence.

Whether any forthcoming American criminal investigation would be likely to uncover evidence indicative of actual mens rea, as opposed merely to gross criminal negligence, is as yet unclear.

What is extremely clear is that this scientist has advised that those who believe they are suffering from this specific condition should demand the appropriate intervention, and put their trust ultimately in the American Penal system.

This problem would not seem likely to disappear, or even to diminish with time, as the scientist concerned has stated:

'A high percentage of the population may turn out positive for this element but may stay asymptomatic for the time being.'

Perhaps an outline of the common clinical features of this condition could be provided.

This should include the elements apparently involved in the infection, viz. the cloned cyanobacteria, and the major parasitic protozoa; linked to the mold or dermatophyte infection; the presence of stubborn lesions; different types of fibers; the hardened 'skin' callus; the addition of insect technology sometimes (being dependent on bacterial load) resulting in frank arthropods and myiasis; and the infestation and infection by helminths. The apparent use of plant technology, perhaps accompanied by systemic insects, and that of butterflies, birds, and the multi-nucleated cells of the type Langerhans, should be included in the formal letter, requesting an investigation.

It should also be indicated that this scientist has stated that the cloned microorganisms concerned are quorum sensing, to the extent that pathological tissue adaptation is dependent on a sufficient bacterial load, or quorate, being established.

Those who suffer from this condition can testify to the dreadful suffering experienced when this bacterial load is reached. However, it can be very difficult to receive the required medical treatment, because, as this scientist has stated:

'Its a model organism that fits R&D
Nearly invisible presence in tissue.'

This phenomenon would seem to be borne out by sufferers and other scientists, e.g. with respect to the hardened 'skin' callus, which at first sight appears like hardened skin, but is something much more.

This scientist has advised you to exercise your rights as innocently having been apparently infected by this very dangerous pathogen. He has stated that you:

'Demand the Source Code!'

Furthermore, there would seem to be reports of a still more recent outbreak in England, which has been linked to the Bay Area of San Francisco.

You might like to ask the NIH investigators to find out how this can possibly be, given that this scientist has seemingly stated not to put too much credence on these geographical clusters being of overall bona fide evidence, or at least not evidence of a strictly temporal cause and effect type.

You therefore, as affected and suffering individuals, have an inalienable right to demand that a thorough and far reaching investigation is carried out forthwith.

You certainly do have a right to ask that the investigators contact this scientist, and enquire much more fully about such matters as the postulated infected seed pods, (of a hypothetical laboratory prototype and otherwise), which are apparently sharp enough to penetrate through to the subcutaneous tissue. Is this related to this scientist's remarks re the use of a needle, and could this be related to the ability of dermatophytes to become as razor sharp as a needle?

All I can do is to encourage you to write. You are not making accusations about anyone. You are sick and suffering, and this scientist has provided you with an explanation. The NIH is the organisation in America who knows how dangerous these microorganisms can be, should they inadvertently cause a human infection. They are consummate professionals, but are alas not psychic. Therefore, if you have a possible problem that they can certainly help with, they can only do so if you tell them about it.
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Postby tamtam » Wed May 17, 2006 7:43 pm

Dear Mr Bartz,

The only thing I can advise is to ask for oral Itraconazole or to be put on relatively safe Bactrim.

If Your child is sick, remember that also with cancer people suffer and do not get to new promising medication soon.

The best thing You can do is to send a certified letter and make the Institution respond.

If a GP or specialist is not cooperative,
send a certified letter and make them understand that You will seek litigation.

It is rational to get medication.

Release of video footage may increase attention for this specific matter but will not readily yield a specific cure.

Experimental treatment will be first choice for the time being.

Sincerely,

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What?

Postby RANDY » Wed May 17, 2006 7:49 pm

First of all saying a video is coming out when a desperate person is begging to save his/her childs life is just cruel.

What have I done you ask.

First of all the protocol of taking an atibiotic for three months , then switching to an anti-fungal , then hitting it with an anti-parasitic works. I am proof that it works. I was bedridden for two years and now I am totally fine except for these lesions inside and out.

Second the lesions can be kept at bay with Gold Bond powder and Blistex. That is a fact. It pulls out whatever poison is in there.

Third: Following the proper diet of low sugar and vitamins and keeping your immune system healthy, exercising no matter how hard it is and keeping a very clean home is another way to keep this at bay.

I have no idea what this is but you do not either but you claim you do but you are not telling. HORRIBLE!

I would never do that. I am guessing..not producing videos that make no sense what so ever and then telling people things are getting better. THEY ARE NOT. Not refusing to talk to educated people that could brainsotrm with you. And Randy Wymore is a Osteopath..although I honro him for giving so much of his time he is not in the field of genetics or pathology.

No person who claims they are on top of this has written a grant to the NIH.

Honesty...we can keep this at bay but we can not cure it because we do not know what it is and we have not got a clue.

This child is sick and it is killing this parent to see this. Saying a video is coming up is just horrible...it will not give thsi parent any relief and Tam not answering this parent is just EVIL.

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