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Postby RANDY » Mon May 22, 2006 5:07 pm

not sky sorry.....ooopss..big ooops
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Postby RANDY » Mon May 22, 2006 5:20 pm

I may posst here Befour. One moment you are nice to me and then you turn on me. Why is that?
I will tell the truth and if no one likes it.that is just plain ole tough. Sorry you change like the wind. I stay steady. No secrets...that is my way..if you are out there, show yourself. We need a vocal support group of people unafraid to fight this war. If you want to stay in the shadows and believe false prophets that is fine, but I prefer not to do so. And do not try to shut up someone who is tellnig the truth as I am.

Ok?

Randy

And after having this for so long I am an expert...OK! Wait until you have had this as long as I have had it..you will be one too. Most of us experts have given up talking to newbies since we know they will not listen and they will try and shut us up as thsoe that do not want a cure but want to have us chasing out tails will do. I will stand strong.

sorry if my helping hundreds upsets you!it si about the disease.
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Postby RANDY » Mon May 22, 2006 6:16 pm

Could you respond to the site? I already did. Yours is much more logical.

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Postby London » Mon May 22, 2006 6:35 pm

TamTam,

Well I figured out part of it. At first, re: your hints re: the F-16's, etc., I
could only find space information. And I saw some pretty hot aircraft that defy gravity...I learned that they (which I think were robots, but not sure)

would take long 4,6,8 day trips, flying in space. I learned all about the
F-16's resculpting and the dual engines on the wings, etc., I learned about the continuous oxygen system>>>>basically a whole lot in this regards but yet realized I was not getting info on disease, infections, bacterias, etc., and I became upset with you.

But, atlas......I found some info....But... that was a couple of hours back and before I could finish reading about it then come to this site to post info on it

I suddenly found my computer going into spasms.......All check-ups said everything fine.,.....but yet for 3 hours I could not connect. I finally found
a dialog box stating that I had been given a virus (or the starts of one or some bug......)

And in addition to my research findings ( not related to any of the above
F-16', aviation literature and so on), I did find my answers to be just as

I noted last week( as far as the fish as vectors, plus the water issues) Here's a couple of things I learned:

Anthrax was in water........

Liver flukes are present in America.......

The noxious invasive weeds are infact causing problems that I do think correlate stronly with this disease.....

That I hate George Bush even more now than before.....( and Cilla, please read my lips......the government has used parasites to create diseases since 1890> at least according to this one article.....

They have created a computer microchip that can create, detect and possibly cure diseases.....

That GM foods are bad as Hell X 10, and then some......

That the NIH has not (as far as 2003 agenda that I read) put our disease on their list of things to do/ cure......

That they cloned cyanobactera mutans and used it on various things>>like it got into our food, they knew it/ actually planned it, our milk

has been infected......and so much more> Sincerely., a lot more...here is one that I really was shocked at: The Chickens and the Swine and the Fish Farms have these creatures all together....like their cages are touching......E.coli, salmonella is very much a part in this.....The birds are big carriers too. They put waste from the swine in the chicken feed and they put human waste in the fish feed.......oh what a bad case of sickness this has caused.

But not only that, our oceans are infected.....Groundwater , wastewater contaminates are running rampant.

The sludge water is in this too. Uranium too........The lepideoptera (ps) are causing problems (cuddling moths) to a variety of things.....the weevil is bad, the beetle is bad......> they def. relate to these noxious weeds.....

okay, don't want to bore you guys......let's see, onto more interesting info:

The military/ army is heavily involved with space exploration.

Fact: i SAW GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS THAT ALIENS DO EXIST.

soooo much more shocking stuff. My advice to teenagers,,,,,if you find yourself upon hard times ( i.e. broke, no family or family support> all the bad things some encounter) Well, I would honestly have to say that living under a bridge in a cardboard box is a helluva lot better thatn joining the military!!! Don't do it.......(and yes, this is only my OPINION).

They will lie to you and screw your head and your life up.....

Did you know that our soldiers were told to put the fear of God into the Iraqi's? No matter what> they would not get in trouble....That these young soldiers would murder babies, wives, childrens and innocent man for no other reason than they were told to do so......If they had bombed some underground bunker (or anywhere for that matter) and then went inside of their bombings to scope out the place and check to see if it was successful or not, well, they would find dead bodies with some still alive and suffering and moaning and even BEGGING for help, and some maybe just banged up only-hiding behind something....WEll guess what they would do> they were ordered to do this:

They would murder them-kill them off and THEN and only THEN drag them out of the bunker into the streets.....

One time they scoped out this mosque that was expecting 200 people for a midnight prayer....well, they infiltrated the mosque and when these poor people arrived for their prayer session, they ambushed them, hung the bodies up, and wrote horrible thingws on the walls of the holy place....

like Amaerican Whores Rule......

Okay, I will shut up now, but I have NOTHING but ill-desrespect and hate for American Gov'ts and for George Bush......It is truly a horrible situation.

Okay, more on the areospace findings later.....

Meant to also say that a year after my last trip down to Mexico ( after I had felt sick all year but did not know that I had this disease yet, well a year to the month later.....I cmae down with the full blown fiber/morgellons disease after I had touched contaminated water in my A/C system......I was thinking it could possibly be that Legionaires Disease that was prevelant in the 70's, WHEN I read last night that it is defenitely back in full swing as being pathenogenic and spreading in the US.

and the area on my left forearm is not herpetic lesions but they are Morgellons bugs that have both crystalized into my skin....One was nearly as long as a greain of rice but it was thicker and harder that rice with this point on the end.......A biofilm had formed on it......

I'm telling you all.....this is from P aregenosoa is in the water slime/ biofilms......
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Focus on Morgellons

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Postby London » Mon May 22, 2006 7:13 pm

meant to also say this FACT i found this morning....

Besides being in the sludge, groundwater , oceans and A/C chilled water cooling towers, it is also in the SOIL. I slso learned that it has chemical "toxic" properties that are considered a level Five.....Hint on one I like reading about: Sax___. and they did use these toxins as explosives relating to gases in environment, THIS , LIKE I SAID BEFORE WAS IN THE SEWAGE WASTE TOO, and last thing.....it does have a lot to do with missiles in space.......
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and here is some rules/laws on pathenogens:

Pathogen and Toxin Registration

The University is legally required to keep a complete record of all pathogens and certain toxins. Please Note: It is mandatory to register any pathogens and toxins required in the guidance. Principal investigators are responsible for pathogen and toxin registration.

Pathenogen Refgistration form:Please use the following pathogen registration form.

Pathogen Registration Form
The following section provides details of what needs to be registered.

What Organisms to Notify
Any microorganisms classified in Hazard Group 2, 3 or 4 by the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) or the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), and any microorganism on Schedule 5 of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act.


Who Must Complete a Registration Form?
The Principal Investigator or Laboratory Head who has the primary overall responsibility for work with the specified pathogens or infected material (see below). For each species of pathogen or type of infected material acquired or used by a research group at the same location (may include several nearby laboratories), only one copy of the form should be submitted (ie different members of the research group or team should not submit individual forms).

In addition to the register details, Principal Investigators are required to keep more details of strains, origin, or other identification of the microorganism. These written records must also include, separately, all other strains of microorganisms held or worked with by each individual and must be kept readily available for inspection and use in an emergency.
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Postby Cilla » Mon May 22, 2006 8:13 pm

Hi Everyone,

Maybe we have to be less personal in this discussion. It is nice of Befour to speak up when you are being unfair, Randy, because I have never done you any harm, and Tam tam is definitely trying to help. He has in fact helped a lot of people, and has offered useful suggestions regarding what they might ask their doctor to prescribe.

Your remark about anyone being able to pick up a medical reference book, and then suggesting an alternative treatment for an eye infection to a doctor specialising in this disease and its treatment, fails to take account of the facts.

Tam tam advised that amphotericin would be a logical choice for doctors to prescribe in certain manifestations of this condition, before Dr Schwartz appeared on the site. Tam tam said that he had consulted with a specialist in tropical diseases, principally re the best way and manner to treat protozoal infections. Everything Tam tam has said about the best way to treat aspects of this condition, whether by the systemic or topical route, is borne out in the wider research. I know, because I have checked, double checked, asked experts, then checked some more.

Dr Schwartz raised the issue of treating the (potentially extremely serious) infections of the eye with fluconazole, by which administration this excellent doctor has undoubtedly saved some people's eyesight.

Tam tam said that, in some cases, the administration of amphotericin might be a more suitable choice, because of the protozoal element, and the cases in which there is infection/infestation of the vitreous humor in the eye. This drug is potentially toxic, and any medical practitioner would only consider its use if the benefit of it outweighed any appreciable risks. Do you have the remotest idea of just how serious an untreated, or an inadequately treated, infection/infestation of this type within the vitreous humor of the eye is?

Since both Dr Schwartz and Tam tam recommend antifungal drugs, and because of the things they stated, the dermatophyte element of the infection within the eye must be extremely serious in some cases of this condition.

If this is true, and if no-one in authority is telling the ophthalmologists, and if the normal clinical tests routinely run do not, as a rule, elicit anything specific, then what do you all think could happen to a person's eyesight?

Do you think that any person, who would probably be screaming in agony, (especially if the cornea is also affected), even if they knew about the proposed regimen of drugs, would be able to make a case to the ophthalmologist? When I say screaming in agony, I mean sometimes to the point where overt sedation, even by opiates, might be required. Even if they could get the names of the drugs out, do you think that the ophthalmologist, knowing nothing of any of this, is going to give it any credence?

I am not saying that every case of 'eye problems' with this condition will get this bad. But, if the two professionals mentioned above are right, (and I certainly do not think they are wrong), it seems that some may.

Do you all not see how needless this all might be?

Randy, it might be that you are so against writing a polite note to the responsible authorities within the NIH, (accusing no-one of anything, remember, just reiterating what has been stated on this site, and requesting their input and investigation), purely because I think that people should, and because Tam tam is more than happy for individuals to do so. That is silly, and quite unfair to those who need the expert help of the NIH in obtaining the source code of the cultured material allegedly responsible for at least some cases of this condition.

You are not against writing to the authorities per se, Randy, and you are equally not averse to bringing what Tam tam has said to their attention. You actually posted a letter that you wrote to the CDC on this site, stating, apropos of nothing in terms of context, that you had been infected by a stray target of a cloned and quorum seeking cyanobacteria, and that you demanded intervention! You also posted the rather unsurprising (to that confusing missive) stated response, viz. no action!

Then, many many weeks after that, you state on this site that you are unsure of what the term 'stray target' means in the very first place. Why are you sending official requests, comprised of a couple of sentences, in no discernible context, that you later admit you do not even understand, and why are you furthermore sending these to the wrong place entirely?

Then, when someone advises others to write to the body responsible for biosafety in high containment level laboratories, and suggests setting out the salient facts in a way that one hopes will be crystal clear to the proper recipients, do you respond with illogic and vitriol, based purely on the idea of their writing?

You keep ranting in your replies about not being prepared to defend Tam tam's video, (who asked you to?) and you seemingly purposely keep misunderstanding about the proposed tone and intent of the letter. Nobody is suggesting that the US Government or the appropriate department within the NIH be accused of any bad thing. The idea is to ask those, whose job it is to do so, to help some desperate and very sick people, purely by investigating whether or not there can be any truth in what Tam tam has said.

You are not an expert, Randy, and you simply cannot appoint yourself to this role just because you have been ill for so long, (although I am sorry about that).

You have no right to change the rules of any web site, by repeatedly demanding my details and to know where I live. I think that giving out such personal details as you do is silly, and you certainly have no right, on the basis of such an ill advised move, to demand that others follow suit.

You seem to have a need to be in control of everyone's data, any and all contacting of the authorities, to the extent of even appointing yourself to be part of any proposed telephone conference between your scientists and any other willing expert.

This is not quite appropriate. Why don't your scientist come on to this site, and then we can really get to grips with what all of this biosafety and high containment levels might really mean, in terms of help and treatment?

How is it, what with them being so au fait with Einstein's theory and all, that it was left to me nearly bursting my non-scientist brain in the process, to decipher all of this biosafety high containment level of 3 and above, (from the term C3, or above), and to think of how this might relate to cloned microorganisms, and dangerously infected arthropods?

How come they did not say anything about the necessary precautions when such material may be bought or assembled in special culture, particularly regarding the prohibitions on any scientist, or any member of the laboratory's staff, adding any of their cells to the said culture, because of the extreme danger of any new germ line bypassing that individual's immune system, (in any subsequent accidental infection)?

This condition seems related to this danger, but is much worse, because it would appear to be the stem cells of the innocently infected that are affected.

How come your scientists did not work out how the state of the art electron microscopes with in built X-ray facilities, (and I can't remember whether this is by refraction, and could not care less), might allow us to enter the inner world of the protozoa, where the bacteria of this infection, like another well known superbug, take part in aerobics?

I do feel for you, but I am much more concerned about the sick, particularly the children, who have been so horribly affected by whatever caused this condition.

Befour, if you wish my sincere advice, it is to write the sort of letter to the authorities concerned that has been discussed. You do not have to confirm or deny doing this, of course, and I will never be so impolite as to put you, or anyone else on the spot about this.

Uk Guy, sorry about the delay in getting back to you, but the responsible authorities in the UK would be the Health and Safety Executive, and the relevant Avisory Committees on cloned microrganisms, dangerous pathogens etc. (The latter give specific and updated specialist advice to the HSE). Account should be taken of the European legislative role in all of this, as European law has already led to sweeping changes in how this most potentially dangerous of practices must be managed and reported on.
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Postby RANDY » Mon May 22, 2006 8:26 pm

I have repeated over and over again...have Tam Tam call or talk to my friends that have reviewed his video about what they feel is hog wash. He ahs not. that responsibility is on him not me,

as far as the NIH is concerned..you have to follow the correct steps.

You have to have a university study behind you.

This is a simple concept.

I am not against anything except making a fool out of all of us with this disease.

Tam needs to do more than be a non-enitity with a video that makes no sense.

Please Cilla..see the light here.

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Postby RANDY » Mon May 22, 2006 8:35 pm

Cilla,

You are being silly.

What country do you live in is pesonal?

You are telling people that a man that does not exist except as a web entity should be giving advice to people about a condition he does not have and we do, and he is an expert due to a film that make no sense? And that is not gettig personal or is more presonal than what country do you live in?

And his advice is second hand about meds.

And we should tell doctors and government people that this video of this non-entity exists and therefore look crazy?

Right......go ahead..you do it first. Get the lawyers and the doctors to confirm the video and then have them call me. Or why doesn't Tam call the NIH and write a letter and show us the letter and the response on letterhead?

AHHHHHHH never will happen. Will it?

Okkedoke,.,,,whatever you say,

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Funny stuff

Postby RANDY » Mon May 22, 2006 8:39 pm

And there is no reason at all why I should not be the go between. I have had this for a long time and I know people. What a strange thing to say?

Non-entity contact or real live person contact? Hummmm..no brainer.

Person who writes in cryptic talk or a person who says things you can understand?

Hummmmm...
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Postby standby » Mon May 22, 2006 8:57 pm

RANDY wrote:I will tell the truth and if no one likes it...............

And after having this for so long I am an expert...OK!

Most of us experts have given up talking to newbies since we know they will not listen....................



Randy,

You clearly don't understand (or just refuse to) what it is that most don't like, even though several direct inquiries or requests have been made.

Opinions and perceptions are our own and we all deserve to have them and voice them and they are generally received well if they are voiced with tact and respect for others. What one perceives as "TRUTH" in their own eyes is merely opinion in the eyes of others and most don't take kindly to having opinions FORCED DOWN THEIR THROUGHTS especially when they are speculative, inaccurate, unfounded and offensive.

Please consider this when communicating with others.

Could you explain what exactly one must achieve over many years as a sufferer for them to be considered an "expert?"

I have been a sufferer for many years as well and have learned a great deal about many aspects of this condition ... but I would not consider myself an expert ..... I really don't think anyone is at this point.

When I talk to sufferers new to this .... I tend to LISTEN to them more than anything and try to give some positive reinforcement and guidance in areas where they themselves need it most.

Being validated, listened to and respected as a human being is one of the most important things for a sufferer (other than being well) is it not?
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