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Postby Cilla » Mon May 08, 2006 4:25 pm

Hi Southcity,

I am still a bit confused by this disease, its common manifestations, usual clinical course, and the way it responds to treatment, such as the Schwartz protocol.

The above has to be set out clearly if we are to have any hope of persuading the medical profession of its existence as an entity.

Cliff Mickelson gives a very clear account of how it usually starts, viz. a rash, followed by fluke shaped pieces of hard 'skin', (often ultimately joining together, forming the callus), and the 'interloper' in the form of a thick black 'hair' seen growing through the follicle, and then ousting the proper occupant, (normal hair).

Cliff gives a clear account of approximately five different components to this infection/infestation, and writes of its uncanny ability to communicate with itself via these divergent component parts.

He makes mention of whitish or clear worm like appendages growing under the rock hard shield of the callus, and, as well as the black 'hairs' already mentioned, speaks of tan coloured ones too.

He does say that he thinks there are more aspects to this infection.

I am not sure, but I do not think he has ever mentioned the feathers. Sky asked what the next stage to these might be, but I was waiting for Sabrina to confirm how long into the disease process she was before finding these growing upside down on her skin.

I also need to know what the response of this condition is, generally, to the prescribed Schwartz protocol, or similar.

I have the idea that seeing a feather come out, or managing to get one out, is a good sign, in that the body is responding to either local or systemic, (or both), treatment, aimed at removing parts of the parasite, effectively and systemically.

I think that the feathers would tend to be a rare occurence, found after years of infection, probably within the slightly inflamed and swollen scalp, generally positioned under the tightened portions of callus-like 'skin'.

Not so rare would be the presence of the varied fibers, of different colours and textures. These too have to be carefully and systematically removed. Some will be coming out of cuts or lesions that will not heal until they are removed.

I need to know the exact response of parts of the parasite to different treatment elements. What is felt to happen, subjectively, and what is seen to occur, e.g. during the herxing process, objectively?

I also need to know the response of the affected parts of the body to prescribed antifungals, e.g. fluconazole. In what way has this helped problems that may have been experienced with visual acuity, e.g.?

How long, (and please cite exact drugs and dosages), would an individual have to remain on the prescribed protocol before all adverse symptoms are abated, or gone?

What do you mean, Southcity, by saying that you have never heard of anyone being cured of this? To what extent does this, or any other prescribed protocol, work?

What about the work of Doctor Amin, who treats something called the neurocutaneous syndrome, but which sounds very like this condition? He states in the literature concerned that he has achieved total cure.

Anyone who wishes to add their views, or experience of herxing, or any of the above, may of course do so. I think that we have to assemble a much more coherent presentation of this condition, its clinical features, and its response to treatment, if we are to persuade doctors that it exists as a new clinical entity.

Naturally, Tam tam's theories will form a huge part of this, and will go a long way in explaining it, and in providing a robust rationale for specific treatment regimens, (aimed at the protozoal element, e.g.).

It's entirely up to yourselves whether or not you can be bothered clearly outlining the details requested supra.

As you all know, I am liaising with medical personnel about this. This is why I said 'thank you' to Tam tam for answers received to specific questions in relation to the unique manner in which this infection might have a hitherto unknown relationship between the nervous system and a superficial epithelial cell. Saying 'thank you' does not denote full understanding on my part, as I am not a scientist, but I am certainly putting 100% of effort into all of this. I know enough to know a. the truth when I read or see it, and b. when something is beyond me, and must be passed on to a higher authority.

I also know enough about human nature, and the ways in which those in higher authority think and reason and behave. I know that we will not get much further forward if you cannot be bothered to answer the most general of questions, because, without this, I cannot really provide a folder of evidence, with respect to this condition, its mode of presentation, etc. I have already asked for a general account of the herxing process, and any precautions that the doctor advised during this, but, yet again, no answer has been received.

In answer to your query about the stage after the feathers, Sky, my preliminary conclusions are that once these, and all other fibers, and aspects of the callus formation, have been successfully treated, only the thick bright white fibers, (some flush to the scalp), will remain. This may be what some have referred to as 'white Morgellon's. My preliminary conclusion is that these have to be ousted, new normal hair growth stimulated, in tandem with the systemic medication treating the other parasitical elements.

Over to you. I think that you should answer, in addition to seeking answers and legal redress from, (as your first point of enquiry), the Health and Safety organisation in the U.S.A. Specific guidance and protocols are issued re the use of insects and microorganisms in laboratory experiments. As such, the danger must be appreciated, otherwise why have containment level of biological safety 3 and above, and why issue protocols governing this specific type of laboratory work?

Maybe your scientist friends could peruse the guidance issued on the Health and Safety websites, Randy, and then explain to us which part of it bears no resemblance to Tam tam's theories.

If you do not set out clear, general, clinical histories, then there is no way that you are going to postulate a link between the above and this arguably novel clinical condition.

You have to do it for yourselves, and then argue a legal case that makes the links in a strong and robust fashion. Tam tam's video and arguments will help, if you use these in a strong way, and send them, together with your strong legal statement of case, to the authorities charged with overseeing such experimentation.

There is no point in sending the video, accompanied by a weak letter stating that you don't understand, to a wild range of laboratories, (in my opinion).

Get yourselves organised. Stop alienating those with a will to help. Get yourselves a legal firm, and build a strong case.
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Postby tamtam » Mon May 08, 2006 5:34 pm

Indeed up to court to avoid conflict of interest.

I hope You all trust and will depend on US penal system.

June: tamtam two.

Identical strain: mayor parasitic protozoa.

Get organized!
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Postby Skytroll » Mon May 08, 2006 6:58 pm

Tam Tam and Cilla,

A case against who?

I would think the US attorney general would suffice.

But, who?

Get organized with what? for what?
Who can we trust?

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Postby Cilla » Mon May 08, 2006 8:22 pm

Hi Sky,

Put your trust in God. You can also trust Tam tam and Southcity, (although he is far too trusting in the kindness of strangers. I think that you have to be very strong, and fight this legally).

I am not completely au fait with all of the vagaries of the US court system. I do not know what you mean about the Attorney General, exactly, but who would bring a criminal case against individuals who may have allegedly caused this disease?

The Health and Safety Executive could bring criminal prosecution against a specific business or industry in the UK, under certain circumstances, but you would have to check the NIH website, and its information on health and safety governing laboratory experiments.

Once again, do not go making wild accusations about named sources. Apart from libelling the innocent, this is a stupid thing to do. At the very least, offending sites can be shut down. I do not want to hear people saying that, 'in their opinion' this could not happen. Go and read the relevant legislation and common law, which have absolutely nothing to do with personal folklore or opinion.

Even if, by chance, someone hit upon the guilty section of industry, e.g., this, and further speculation, could arguably preclude the right of an individual, or legal individual, to a fair trial. You could end up losing everything before you have even begun.

I do not want to see individuals coming on, naming people, and declaring that they do not care whether they are sued or not. Go and set up your own website, and do what you like there, but do not use this site for your own choices that will be destructive to others.

I really do not believe that your government has done this to you, and I think that the chemtrails and UFO theories are nonsense.

Therefore, you should not be thinking along the lines of suing your government. You need their help here, and as Tam tam says, you should trust your own US penal code.

If a criminal activity has been undertaken, leading to injuries to the health of US citizens, who would do the necessary investigations? Would this be the FBI?

I await Tam tam's new video with interest, because my intuition tells me it is going to be the best yet.

Get organised, and get a law firm. Investigate, through your lawyers, what has been reported and treated of a similar nature to what is shown on the video, and in your own conditions.

I do not want to hear another insult against myself or Tam tam, or indeed anyone else. I am sick to the back teeth of this, and of the rest of you not standing up to this rank behaviour.

Apart from anything else, the latest insults are crazy ones to put out on a world wide web site. They should be deleted immediately. I think that it is sickening that not one of you has remonstrated with anyone about these.

If you do not start taking responsibility for your own health, then you will have to take the consequences.

If you are going to allow virtual strangers to say what they like in your name, and if you are not going to get yourselves organised, I really do not see how you expect to win through.

It does not have to be that way. though. It is your choice, your life, and your condition. Await the new video, and, overall, box clever!
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Postby RANDY » Mon May 08, 2006 8:40 pm

I have been to two GIANT law frims. If you can not show causation you can not do a darn thing so do not start chasing your tails about this now.

Sky..you had a very good question and Cilla you did not answer it.

They have given you ZERO info to take anywhere..and if you did...you would be labeled crazy. Who are these people really. Has anyone talked to them on the phone and found out their real names?

I have given out my phone number , my address and my personal web mail. Who are these people? Really?

Honest questions....I now call them the RED HERRING GROUP.

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Postby RANDY » Mon May 08, 2006 9:03 pm

Cilla:

First of all no one that has had this has ever been cured of it.

I had it over 15 years ago and it went away and I thought I was cured of it....for almost 10 years.

But it came back. And a much more serious and deadly strain.

Antibiotics, antifungals, antivirals and antiparasitics will keep the itching and scratching and fibers and lint balls down to a minimum.

What ever it is that this is WHICH NO ONE KNOWS NOT EVEN TAM, gets in us somehow, and destroys our immune system.

Once that has happened you can get a huge variety of various illnesses that appear to be other things.

If you have too much H-pylori you can get stomach cancer...this works the same way. Is it a virus? We do not know. It causes lesions inside and out. That can cause all sorts of diseases.

Is it a mutated form of whatever made to kill crops..we do not know...was it done by aliens trying to destroy the human race...we do not know.

What we do know is that it causes your immune system to go belly up, creates non-caseating granulomas, causes all types of cancers to wake up and be noticed, causes cell-wall deficient bacterias that mask as lyme, causes all types of bad protein build-up that can cause heart failure....but yet NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS.

So..yeh...go and get organized...I can not even get people to organize their blood work. Get a lawyer and tell them what? SO we look more nuts then we already do. YOu must have causation but we do not know what this is.

These people keep insisting that we should revolt against our government. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE????????????

Ya know Cilla, ya know Tam....call me. Let me hear your accents and know where you live and who you are and why you even care about this disease since you do not have it.

Call one of my scientist buddies....... but stop giving horrible anti-american advice and make believe diagnoses and talking cryptic non-sense.

Who the ehck are you people and why do you care at all? Nothing being said is REAL. It is all smoke and mirrors.

Wake up people. Look at her tone if you call Tam a name. Natzi like. (Sorry Poison)

I have this..you do not. I am an open book..you are al cryptic and secret.


My phone number is 434-974-7128

Call me if you are real. If you are not......then you will not call. I have caller ID.

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Postby RANDY » Mon May 08, 2006 9:06 pm

Sorry if I came across harsh..but none of the advice will work.

TAM-Cilla: CAUSATION....name it.
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Postby London » Mon May 08, 2006 9:47 pm

My post is about biology> not about the former postings.....i.e., telling who to post what and so on and so forth and what to say and what not to say....just biology.....sorry if it is boring......

but look at the pictures of just what our insides might look like if we do not get medical attention.....

http://radiographics.rsnajnls.org/cgi/c ... ppl_1/S255
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Postby London » Mon May 08, 2006 9:58 pm

Mercury Perhaps? Or...is it all in the SLUDGE?

http://www.ejnet.org/sludge/nsa/nsa129.html
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Sue who...

Postby Maggie Mae » Mon May 08, 2006 10:54 pm

Randy,

I have been around the boards for 10 years....have had this for 12. I think to date, with regard to any of these posts, YOURS has made the most sense, most clarity, and most concise.

I applaud you for your true insight and regrettably, pointing out the "trout in the milk" obviousness...(is that a word?)

Did you send out information to various members of the various boards - in the past?

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thanks

Postby RANDY » Mon May 08, 2006 11:40 pm

Thanks Maggie.

Lymebusters will not let me talk about my opinions of what I think is oging on with Morgellons soI do not go there. I came here because I thought we had some real science going on but was disillusioned when I had good friends who were scientists look at things I considered over my head and they came back with "S-ull B-hit." So then I decided to inform those that are desperate , like we all our for our savior to come...that what was going on here was a joke on them..but that got bombarded a bit too.

I have always used raskel or randy.

I am just so tired of opportunists and B-S-ers. This is such a losing battle with dotors and then these guys come on board and red herring everything.


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Re: thanks

Postby standby » Tue May 09, 2006 5:16 am

RANDY wrote:
Lymebusters will not let me talk about my opinions of what I think is oging on with Morgellons soI do not go there.
Randy


Totally false and you know it. All opinions are allowed. You were just there posting your concern about blood tests and responsibility.

Problems occur when posters personally attack others and make threats and expose indivduals' personal information. This leads to deletion and warnings of loss of membership which you are quite aware.

No matter where you end up these type of attacks ensue with different individuals .... almost always those fighting for the cause or individuals trying to help. Why is this? Frankly I'm tired of seeing it happen over and over again. This helps no one including yourself.
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