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Postby Frank N Stein » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:44 am

yourmother wrote:Go kill yourself.


People who call themselves mothers, but prey upon sick children.................scum
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Postby Frank N Stein » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:00 am

Bump for the noobs. This is why Tam Tam's video and web site is a scam operation. When somebody, anybody, can provide data to counter this data set, we can develop a different conclusion. Opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one. Science relies on data. Tam Tam the Spam Scammer was asked to provide data for over a year and had to leave this forum when he could no longer deny that he was just a common spammer using his presentation to lure people to his site. The supporting data for this claim and all others in this post can be found in the pages of this thread



Sabrina wrote:Do you have any proof about your theory on tamtam?


OK, that’s a fair question. Let’s look at what is considered as proof in objective scientific analysis. In logical and scientific analysis, a known object of study is observed and measured for data which define a set characteristics, which in turn support a conclusion. There are many sets of observation which are considered valid. Not all data sets are composed of visible data.

An example of this is atomic observation. No one has seen an atom. Yet we know it exists because of its behavioral characteristics. We know how atoms behave, and therefore draw conclusions based upon their behavior. If one group of atoms behave in one manner, and another group behaves in another manner, we can then categorize them by their behavioral characteristics. We can’t see atoms, but we know from the data characteristics that they display what they are, and how they will effect our environment.

Tam Tam can be evaluated in the same manner. Once again here is a set of known data that defines the conclusions that I have made about Tam Tam.

1) Tam Tam composed an elaborate thesis, but failed to validate it with requested data for over a year. A logical conclusion is that he may be lying, and therefore has no data to support his thesis.
2) Tam Tam operated a very expensive, high bandwidth, web site with no visible means of paying the bill. When questioned about this, Tam Tam stated that he has received funding from investors in the “French Nose & Co.” investment company which does not exist. A logical conclusion is that Tam Tam is once again lying, and that he is making money to pay his bill from some other source.
3) Tam Tam’s web site used a very professional, and expensive video presentation to capture a target audience, and led them to believe that he had identified the source of their problem, but did not disclose what the source was. The web page then invited the audience to create a “user login” where it is assumed that the audience will gain greater site privileges, and be given more information. After submitting the personal information, the audience finds that there are no more privileges or information beyond that which has already been given on the first and only page. A logical conclusion is that Tam Tam is using the video presentation to lure people to submit personal information, which he compiles and sells to data mining companies at a profit.

Now there is your data which is acceptable by scientific methodology. These three simple sets of data lead to a conclusion that Tam Tam is nothing more than a common spammer based upon behavioral characteristics. To reach a different conclusion, you would have to include different data. Tam Tam has been asked to provide data which would offset the balance of data displayed here, but has refused to do so.

Now I have answered your question by basing my conclusion upon scientific methodology.

Now I have a question for you, and will continue to ask this same question of you until you provide a valid answer that is also based upon scientific methodology.

Sabrina, what data can you provide that will indicate that Tam Tam is a valid microbiological researcher who has discovered that the source of the morgellons infection is a man made bacterium, that forms intelligent proteins within us, and is assembling insect parts within our bodies?

We will each go one question at a time here, and will not proceed to the next question until each has submitted a valid, objective answer. This is the biology-online.org scientific forum, not the USA Today entertainment forum.
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Postby Sabrina » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:09 am

Randy,

That was a nice picture you posted with Gene Wilder in it several pages back.

How about scanning and uploading the page you said you printed out that contained the alleged threat that you reported? I’m sure everyone would all love to see it. Thanks.



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Frank N Stein wrote:Got game doc?




I notice nobody stepped into the batter's box.


Frank N Stein wrote: It's amazing the games people play.
(YES IT IS!)I'll lighten up and get out out of cyberwarfare mode. I'm not going to be around much for about a week and a half anyway. I have a non stop schedule for the rest of this week and off on vacation next week.



NON STOP SCHEDULE = The fiber Disease thread :lol:

Keep digging your hole and thanks for lightening up. Another lie. It's going to be one hell of a vacation Frankie boy! :lol: :wink: 8) Enjoy!



To everyone else,

Good things happening here already! Take a look.

http://crossinglines.forumco.com/default.asp



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Re: Dr. Garth Nicolson

Postby mfromcanada » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:16 am

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou!!!!!


kmariezw wrote:Attn: mfromCanada, and all interested

On August 21,2006 I sent a link to tamtams videos to Dr. Garth Nicolson who I believe in whole heartededly. He responded by saying "I have seen the video (from several sources), and I agree the contents are disturbing. I had thought all along that genetic engineering must be involved because of the properties of insect, bacteria, fungi and parasites present in this type of infection. I know of nothing like this in nature--not even close. Prof. Nicolson"
His partial CV is attached. I don't know whom Randy spoke with regarding tamtams videos and it does not matter to me because I trust Dr. Nicolson. I am not a biologist but by following his advice rather than any other doctors I have seen I have a least had some temporary relief from doxycycline. I would also like to state that I think tamtams videos show an outstanding display of what is infecting us and I have not seen anyone else produce anything like it. I would like to thank tamtam from the bottom of my heart for producing and publishing them. I suspect he actually knows who has created this and he is worried about his own safety. I am aware that fear can be a great motivator and I am also aware that governments use fear to promote their own desires such as war. I am glad to have this forum to voice my opinion and welcome any criticism. I am wary of people who have good intentions but because of their own stupidity actually do more harm than good. I would rather have proof before I waste a lot of time, money and energy running around in circles with people I can't whole heartedly support.


I've watched the video's from TamTam and after scrutiny under my microscope I feel the images on the video are valid and unfortunate for me (us), many images I see under my own microscope match with the video. I'm a RN, and only took microbiology courses for my degree and do not profess to be an expert.

Also; likewise, doxycycline has certainly helped as I've been taking it for a little over 4 months. I have recently come across some interesting theories to be shared later after I ascertain them.

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Postby Frank N Stein » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:26 am

Sabrina wrote:Randy,

That was a nice picture you posted with Gene Wilder in it several pages back.

How about scanning and uploading the page you said you printed out that contained the alleged threat that you reported? I’m sure everyone would all love to see it. Thanks.



Frank N Stein wrote:
Frank N Stein wrote:Got game doc?




I notice nobody stepped into the batter's box.


Frank N Stein wrote: It's amazing the games people play.
(YES IT IS!)I'll lighten up and get out out of cyberwarfare mode. I'm not going to be around much for about a week and a half anyway. I have a non stop schedule for the rest of this week and off on vacation next week.




I was the one who posted the picture, and you don't have to scan a pic to post it here.

Concerning lightening up, I did. I offered the olive branch but was once again attacked. That's the way it is with the trash of the world isn't it Sabrina? They consider the ones who actually attempt to facillitate peace as weak. Well how weak am I Sabrina?

What has receded as the light of truth has shone upon you Sabrina? Light a candle in a dark room. Does the darkness prevail? Darkness must always recede where light shines.

My question still shines in the post above. If you possess a greater light of truth, then by all means shine it upon my post.

Your call and lure to others to join you is a call to join you where you have receded unto when the light of truth shone upon you.

How weak is the light Sabrina?
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Postby RANDY » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:55 am

If you realy want to cry check out what he states about Morgellons. This is in Dermatology Times.
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Knowing psychocutaneous illnesses aids treatment






Oct 1, 2006
By: John Jesitus
Dermatology Times


National report — Patients suffering from psychocutaneous illnesses are more likely to see dermatologists than any other physicians, yet dermatologists are perhaps the physicians least prepared to address these problems, says John Y. M. Koo, M.D., professor and vice chairman of dermatology at the University of California, San Francisco Medical Center and director of the department's psoriasis treatment center, phototherapy unit and clinical research unit.
Dr. Koo
However, he adds that improving dermatologists' knowledge of psychocutaneous diagnoses and treatments can improve care provided to these patients.
A field of conditions
"Psychodermatology is not one disease — it's a whole field. And within the field, there are many different types of conditions," and several diseases of each type, he explains.
For starters, he says psychophysiological disorders include skin conditions that flare with emotional stress. Examples include acne, eczema, hives and psoriasis.
Patients with primary psychiatric disorders, on the other hand, have "absolutely nothing wrong with their skin, nails or hair," says Dr. Koo, who is board-certified in dermatology and psychiatry.
Instead, he says these patients suffer primarily from a psychiatric disorder that causes them to perhaps pick their skin (neurotic excoriation) or pull out their hair (trichotillomania). Delusions of parasitosis also fall into this category, he says. Such patients' primary problems are psychogenic, their skin manifestations all self-inflicted, Dr. Koo adds.
Secondary illness
Often overlooked is the category of secondary psychiatric illnesses, or psychological problems that occur secondary to disfigurement, he says.
If the patient has extensive vitiligo on his or her face and happens to be a dark-skinned individual, that person can easily become depressed and sociophobic, Dr. Koo explains.
Chronic cutaneous sensory problems represent a fourth category of psychocutaneous illnesses.
"Because skin is a very sensitive organ," he explains, "often patients will present at a dermatologist's office with itching, burning and other sensations, but they have no rash."
In such cases, Dr. Koo says, "A million-dollar workup reveals nothing, yet they have the sensations."
Underlying psychopathology
Another way to analyze psychodermatologic problems is to identify the underlying psychopathology, which he says commonly takes one of the following forms:
· Anxiety/stress
· Depression
· Delusions
· Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).
Dr. Koo says that while many other psychiatric diagnoses exist, "These four are most relevant for the skin."
A patient who is anxious can experience a flare-up of genuine skin disease such as eczema, "Or they might become so anxious that they pull out their own hair," or bite their nails, he says.
Therefore, Dr. Koo says, "Anxiety can easily aggravate all kinds of skin conditions — both real and self-induced."
Similarly, he says depression can lead to picking behavior. By the same token, Dr. Koo notes that some patients suffer from delusions of an unspecified bad smell or foreign material in their skin that they attempt to dig out.
He says he also suspects Morgellons patients, who claim to suffer from symptoms including nonhealing skin lesions and unusual structures therein, are probably delusional, largely because they tend to be very peculiarly fixated on their self-diagnosis.
However, he says the term Morgellons "can be very useful for us because it's more neutral" than telling a patient he or she is delusional.
As for OCD, Dr. Koo adds that this condition can easily lead to skin problems, "because if one washes one's hands 50 times a day, one gets 'intractable' hand dermatitis."
Likewise, he says that obsessing over one's acne can lead to acne excoriee. And any form of obsessive picking can create picker's nodules, Dr. Koo notes.
Diagnose problem
Accordingly, he says that if dermatologists can distinguish between anxiety, depression, delusions and OCD, "It's very helpful.
"Which medication one chooses first often has to do with which diagnosis is most prominent."
For example, he says that if a patient's main problem is anxiety, one should probably start with an anti-anxiety agent.
Identifying a patient's psycho-pathology also can help determine one's approach to the patient.
"For example," Dr. Koo says, "if one realizes that one is dealing with a patient with a primary psychiatric disorder such as delusions of parasitosis, one must be very careful about how one approaches the patient — one can't just confront the patient and say, 'This is crazy.'"
Dr. Koo says that paradoxically, the sicker the patient is psychologically, "The more they lack insight, and the more they resist seeing a mental health professional."
In such cases, he cautions, "Dermatologists must tiptoe and be very diplomatic."
He adds that, unfortunately, "To this day, many dermatologists feel uncomfortable making psychiatric diagnoses or prescribing psychotropic medications. But the reality in America is that a huge proportion, if not more than half, of psychotropic medications prescribed are prescribed by nonpsychiatrists."
Forgotten derm
And while articles, education and advertisements regarding psychotropic drugs abound in primary care and family practice, Dr. Koo says, "Dermatology is the specialty that the psychopharmacology industry forgot."
As a result, he says dermatologists generally lack familiarity with psychopharmacology, and confidence in using such medications.
The only way to improve this situation is to make psychodermatology part of residency education, Dr. Koo says.
"We should try to teach ourselves the use of some selected psychopharmacologic agents, because with many of these patients, if we don't do anything for their psychopathology, oftentimes nothing gets done," he says.
Disclosure: Dr. Koo reports no financial interests relevant to this article.
For more information: http://www.ucsf.edu/
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Postby RANDY » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:59 am

He says he also suspects Morgellons patients, who claim to suffer from symptoms including nonhealing skin lesions and unusual structures therein, are probably delusional, largely because they tend to be very peculiarly fixated on their self-diagnosis.
However, he says the term Morgellons "can be very useful for us because it's more neutral" than telling a patient he or she is delusional.
As for OCD, Dr. Koo adds that this condition can easily lead to skin problems, "because if one washes one's hands 50 times a day, one gets 'intractable' hand dermatitis."
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Postby RANDY » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:01 am

Now do you see why we need my study..is it sinking in people????????
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Postby Frank N Stein » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:02 am

Read my post above regarding the light Randy. We are sick and we know it. That is the truth which shines as light. Their lies will not prevail any more than the Tam Scam lies did.

Have faith in the light of truth.
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Postby RANDY » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:05 am

Randy,

That was a nice picture you posted with Gene Wilder in it several pages back.

How about scanning and uploading the page you said you printed out that contained the alleged threat that you reported? I’m sure everyone would all love to see it. Thanks.


Wrong again... Frank loaded that pic and I only printed not downloaded the pages and I do not have a scanner.

Again..not going to fight on this gutter level. I know I am right and he is wrong and I have nothing more to say about it.

Be blind, be dumb, be ignorant. Not my problem.

Follow your Charlie Manson, Squeeky..have fun.

Not going there..I know the truth, police knows the truth..I have NOTHING to prove to anyone.

Not gonna fight with people who are being led around by substances...just not going to do it.

Period!
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Postby Frank N Stein » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:30 am

I suspect that there is another reason for the DP diagnosis Randy. It’s because the doctor has to get paid. If you pay for treatment with insurance, the Doc has to put some kind of diagnostic code on the form to receive payment. There is no code for morgellons because there is no official disease. Catch -22.

I suspect that the insurance companies and pharma companies are quite happy with the status quo. They Dx us as nuts, give us happy pills, and tell us to go home and be happy. That’s a lot cheaper than actually treating a disease isn’t it?

I refused to do the happy pill thing. For doctor Koo’s information, that’s why I had to Dx myself, and take control of my own health care.

I don’t take anything now stronger than a Benadryl to sleep once in a while. They know where they can insert their happy pills.
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Postby RANDY » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:34 am

Frank..they are not worthy.....I just think you are the cats MEOW...man..you can knock them dead and bowl them over.....I swear I would guess MIT educated...debate team..Mensa..definately...people give up..you just can not compete.....it is SO OBVIOUS!!!!!! He is flattening you down each time you open your computers..give up already.. lick your wounds and go home...can you not see defeat? Cut your looses and bail..get out while there is still time. How long do you expect to fight ina burning house? Da foot is in your mouths...give up already..he is so much smarter than you could ever hope to be.
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