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Postby RANDY » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:02 pm

If your friend is a forenseic pathologist, could he do tests on my friend like dr. staninger did on those two women for silica, silicone, polyethyelene, fiber optics, kobo pigments, ito, and other chemicals named in patent 4877805?

We need a pathologist report. my friend has medical insurance and has a large life insurance policy and is willing to make arrangements to insure he would be compensated. this is vital and it could be the answer that we all need. all he needs to do is comb out her hair and take hair clipiings, it is visible, especially now that her hair has a film on it. she uses baby shampoo, no hair spray, no gels, nothing on her hair as she stopped those types of chemicals a year ago


First Mark is a Forensic entimologist, I think it is . You can see his site on the web and found out everything about him. I think it is Beneke.com, but a search on Mark Beneke will find his site for you.

I would suggest that you or your friend find someone close to where he is at and pay to get his findings documented and confirmed. That would be my first step.

Mark Beneke only cared about the Collembola connection and when he tested several patients he could not confirm Debbie's findings. That was his role. He gave no promises past that.

I found him and I look for others to help but maybe you could do the leg work on this one and find a pathologist for your friend so his work can be confirmed.

If he wants compensation before he makes his report public..I would have no time for him and would consider that to be ...I don't know...off cneter..but that is only me.

Scientitst do not expect money, just rewards. They love teh fact that they have discovered and can now save humanity. So,either he is a scientist or a businessman or capitalist. Best to find that one out from the get go so we know how to deal with him in the long run. It gives a sense of balance knowing who is out there for money and fame and who cares about the disease. These are THREE TOTALLY DIFFERENT types of people all with diferent agendas.

If he has something let him talk to the others that are working on this if he has not already. This goes back to my Mastermind Group belief.

I know there is that infrared person out there. Has not proved anything with anyone but that one person so far.

I am open to all things that can be proven.

Best of luck!

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Postby RANDY » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:16 pm

I agree with tamtam. 420+ pages and its mostly fluff. the people we would hope to review and offer insight do not even visit this thread any longer except perhaps for entertainment. please pm one another for personal issues or attacks or personal problems.
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Agreed ONLY if everyone here only posts 4 lines of a summary of those lengthy posts with a link to them. But that ain't ever gonna happen so I guess we are at an impass.

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Postby RANDY » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:20 pm

Tam wrote in jest I am sure:

If the only contribution you can make is the intend to trivialize or to confuse other readers with inconsistent or even nonsensical topic; indeed a solution will stay far away.

TAM THIS LINE OF YOURS IS HYSTERICAL. THAT IS YOUR GAME..HEHEHEHEH! Man that made me laugh from the belly! Very cute joke. And Tam you do talk to Marc from Germany. Gonna confess of hide about this one?

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Postby RANDY » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:39 pm

Click here: LymeBusters - THE MORGELLONS COMM. HAS MUCH TO LEARN FROM LYME!


THE MORGELLONS COMM. HAS MUCH TO LEARN FROM LYME!
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Greetings, Everyone:

I received the below email as a forward from Ginger Savely.

We in the Morgellons community would do well to take a chapter from the book being actively written here.

The Lyme community appears to be somewhat more politically sophisticated and organized than is the Morgellons community.

Both communities have enormous stakes at risk in the struggle we find ourselves thrown into. In other words, we are all in the same boat together. I believe the Morgellons community needs to follow the lead of the Lyme community and to become much more individually and collectively pro-active.

It's time to leave our former passivity behind unless we are all simply content to go away somewhere and die....Because, my friends,....That is exactly what will happen if we do not organize and begin to sieze control of our own destiny. You can count on it.

We would do well to remember that when it comes to inflicted afflictions such as Morgellons and Lyme, the "meek" do indeed inherit the earth. The only problem is that the portion they generally inherit is usually six feet under. Keep that fact in the forefront of your awareness. Personally, I prefer to go down fighting the good fight.

The Morgellons community should consider applying the wisdom expounded herein (by Ginger) to our own cause. There are great benefits to be had by working in tandem with the Lyme community to bring further public attention to our cause.

It is time to sieze the moment. Do or Die. It's that simple. No one is going to blow our horn for us. We need to do our very own "Joshua" if we want the hostile walls of the medical establishment to come tumbling down. Peaceful petition for redress is a Constitutional right. The failure to address such petition is one of the definitions of tyranny. The failure to attempt such a petition is one of the definitions of slavery. It's our choice here. And...It's time to choose!

-Cliff Mickelson

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(Enclosure forwarded from Ginger Savely re: Lyme)


Dear Lyme patients:

We all know how hard it is for us to participate in a rally. We're either too busy or too sick or don't have the money to travel to New York

All of us need to support the Lyme Rights Rally. And there is a way that we can do so. There are dedicated people who are willing to make lime green UN-smiley faces that represent each us who are unhappy about the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) Treatment Guidfelines.

To wrap it up in a nutzhell, the people who wrote these guidelines have sentenced us to the PRISON FOR THE CHRONICALLY ILL, because they don't encourage early diagnosis or adequate treatment.

We need to fight these powerful people!! They view us as little puppets whose strings they enjoy pulling. We must show them that we are still able to make our own decisions regarding our practices and healthcare!

Please do not be afraid!

This is the United States of America, and we have the right to free speech and to publicly object to these guidelines that cause damage to patients. Send your name and state to Sheila Statlender at SStatlende@aol.com so you can be counted among the people who are able to physicallly attend the Lyme Rights Rally! Add your name to the list of "proxy" lime green UN-smiley faces to be held up at the Lyme Rights Rally on THIS Thursday, November 30, 2006.

There is only 1 day left FOR US TO BE COUNTED at this Rally! I encourage everyone to have your names shown on a lime green UN-smiley face on Thursday! It will make a powerful statement to IDSA and to the media about the many people who are too sick to attend and wiped out financially to pay for the trip.

The members of the Lyme Rights Rally Committee are willing to take their time to make these lime green UN-smiley faces to represent us at the rally. Please email your name and state today!

Thank you for your listening ears. We can bring these people to their knees for their misdeeds if we band together!
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Postby msc » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:58 am

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i am truly concerned when i see two posts out there in the past week
of two people stating they received emails personally from ginger savely
and from mary leitao. should not everyone who was asked to registered back in august be given the same respect as an email with updates?
a notice of recognition should have been the first professional set take by randy wydmore and osu and dr greg smith. there has been no emails nor letters given to anyone i know that had registered. there is no communicaion at all from osu. i think you would all find interesting reading under website DNA,human Memory, and the storage Technology of the 21st Century. optical sciences Center, The Univ. of Arizona, Tuccson Arizona 85721, it give a clear understanding of bacteriorhodopsin being used as a memory chip or computer as they put it and it uses the
light waves, the olfactory systems, the cleft synaptic and mitochondria, as one of our fellow posters has been trying to tell us to research. the bacteriorhodpsin binds to the mitochondria. the chemicals are used to send messages to our central nervous system and our limbs, muscles.
it uses dendrites and why our bones are fusing and ossification and degenerating as the pathologist report states and shows on the two women who had biopsies done. the reason my friemd who never had a broken bone in her life had a broken foot 2002 and a broken elbow 2004 and suffered a factured hand two months ago. the report from arizona is twenty nine pages look and talks in layman's language, it shows you the dna double strands the helix structure. llook up PNAS website on photoactive mitochondria and bacteriorhodopsin

http//www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlearender.fcgi?artid=44813

it will give a full description on the light driven proton pump bacteriorhodopsin from halobacterium salinarium which has been genetically transferred into the inner mitochondrial membrane.
don't any of youn think we have a problem here with the fda allowing a
pharmaceutical corp. like johnson and johnson and mcneill ortho to put
genetically alltered organisms into our bodies and altered our systems,
especially in a person who was healthy and full of life and was in her second year of remission from cancer. they had no right to do this without her knowledge and when it went wrong they left her to suffer
as did lawyers who refused to help her and protect her rights to proper health care and tests and redress. these were all violations of law and this was an experiment that went wrong and they did nothing to try to stop the mutations from spreading to other people and nothing to stop the severe pain she was in and still in. what is your definition of bio terroism? isn't this bio terrorism? isn't this what we are at war in iraq for?
the fbi, the senate and congressman who had knowledge allowed her rights to be denied her and that is false respresentation and gov't corruption to protect the corporate pharmaceutical corp. and physicians.
it states you can physically see the bacteriorhodopis in opsin of the retina.
all eye physicins were able to see under their optical equipment what was done to her. they knew these chemicals dry out the mucous membranes,
the tear ducts, as their own diagnosis was dry eyes and told her it came with age, she is only 43 years old wihen this happened to her. they deliberately lied and they did nothing when they knew that tests could have been should have been done for toxic poisoning--they wanted her to die so it would never have been found out what they did. in case of her death i have allowed many names to be released to all of you and will continue to do that. it is important that when the truth is exposed all that had knowledge of a crime and did nothing are punished as they allowed our society, our children, our animals and environment to be infected with a polyethylene man made organism that carries bateria and fungus spores
and other toxic chemicals, they knew it was light weight and translucent and wouldn't be hard to detect. keep printouts of all blogs for your own sakes, you will need them in the future. we are still waiting for the person who has a friend that is a pathologist. that is all we need is a pathologist to do a few tests and that would prove everything, is there one out there willing to really help a true and worthwhile cause, please respond with a way to contact you? are there lawyers out there willing to help. being afraid of being infected should be the least worry, worry about being infected standing next to someone you don't know has it and being infected and going down on record not wanting to help and to find a cause. if these womens bones are degenerating what do you think is happeining to a 5 year old child, and to newborns and how will their bodies be affected and grow?
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Further Clarification - Last Clarification

Postby Ridgewalker » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:49 am

Please forgive me good people of this forum for the need to attempt one last time to clarify the TRUTH. I agree with Tam and South. Open forum is no place to dispute personal differences. However, since I did not initiate any personal engagements, nor attempt to continue them, I feel I will be doing myself and others a disservice if defamation and labeling on this site is not ceased. I will speak my peace and any further communications will be handled privately.

1. I am neither associated with the NMO or any other organization. I did not return to this board to become embroiled in personal differences OR to sell any product of any kind. As I understand this forum's guidelines, it is not ethical to do so and any business that I perform is done from my home PC or by telephone, most of that business being patient support.
2. I too, am doing 'fresh' translation and find no difficulty in doing so. It is simply a matter of transferring German phrasing into English.
3. An IQ of 128 is considered 'average' and if there is any question of narcacisstic behavior, I would say that stating one has an IQ of 128 and is 'brilliant' shows need for some serious introspection. If numbers matter to you then you don't even want to KNOW my test results. I'll just say they are well above MENSA standards. But the fact that one can test highly on a test that has been questionable for many years means nothing to me or probably anyone else on this board. But I can assure you that for whatever it's worth, my numbers are MUCH higher than 128, however I do not feel that gives me any reason to pronounce myself 'brilliant'.
4. Randy, I RECEIVED the email that included all of the addresses that you did not blind cc, and I for one, not being a supporter of this or any other war, did not appreciate it's content. This opened my computer to vulnerability of MANY to utilize this list and as I said, I am STILL dealing with the fallout. Sabrina was irresponsible in re-posting the list, leading to the same results. PLEASE do not email me, anyone, with 'inspirationals' that support war or the military in any form.
5. I never even mentioned the word 'trailer' in my message so I have no idea what you are speaking of or what you live in as you well know.
6. Your labeling of London, me or any other patient with Morgellons as 'nuts' is deplorable! Is that not what a large part of our plight is all about? This very labeling? Have you no compassion for your fellow sufferers? London has been my friend for quite some time and will continue to be so. Through thick and thin, wellness and ill health. I respect her intelligence and persistence in fighting for her health and well-being. But then, I have MANY friends and colleagues and if nothing else, I am loyal. Namecalling is quite uncalled for and simply shows a lack of concern for one's fellows. Not to mention that certain unrefinedness. I prefer to call it 'tactlessness'.
7. Not Marc, or any other person got me 'riled up'. I was not then, nor am I now 'riled up'. I simply heard it through the swiftly moving Morgellons grapevine that I was being spoken of, by name, on this forum. Marc actually tried to convince me it was a male poster, perhaps so as in some way, to protect you. Regardless of who was doing the posting, I have a right and duty to protect my reputation. Your disregard for the facts and making an honest representation of the truth is what angered me.
8. You have made one request for your German cream. I am not holding anything hostage and if you wish for me to stoop to this silly squabbling, I'll scan the shipment receipt and post it WHEN I receive payment for the shipping which was understood, has already been communicated and until or unless I receive payment for shipping I do not ship a product (I do retail work in other areas). The day following receipt of your shipping payment of 4.85, I will gladly mail your package! Randy, I was a business executive prior to my illness as you well know and I continue to run several small businesses including wholesale/retail. I don't know of any retailer who mails their product before they are paid. I have made a few exceptions with this cream in the case of severe suffering or infestation for some patients.
9. Your grammar caused the misunderstanding about my affiliations for goodness sake, not any delusions of grandeur on my part! I had folks calling and emailing to asked if I really was the one that owned finding1cure. And as I said, I am not, nor will I be, associated with any organization except to sell this product which as you admit has proven to be a wonderful adjunct to treatment of Morgellons. I am also building with the help of others a group called MUSE as I mentioned in my previous post that will provide DIRECT support and education for Morgellons patients and the public in general.
10. I find it interesting that I have received many letters and calls regarding that same post, the gist of it being in dealing with you, it's about time!
11. I don't believe anyone here sees my comments as 'going nuts' (more labeling - shame on you!) and you are right, Marc may not have found me as 'quickly'. However, I do NO advertising of my patient support and hundreds of people seem to find their way to me quite well without your assistance. Why do you suppose that is Randy? Because they've heard I'm 'nuts'?
12. I have another question for you. If you cared so much about me or any other patient in the past, why did you have to wait until my festival (and let's clear that grammar up right now. You had nothing to do with the planning, creation or carrying out of the event, in fact you cost another Morgie a seat on a flight) to tell me there was such a wonderful topical available at an affordable price? I've been curious about that for quite some time.
13. Oh, but I DO have power Randy. We all have power if we choose to empower ourselves. And I refuse to waste any more of mine and energy with these childish antics.
14. Randy, there is absolutely nothing wrong with me except I do not appreciate the use of my name in open forum, especially when it includes inaccurate information and makes it APPEAR that I am associated with organizations that I neither know of or support. In my opinion, private names, circumstances and information should never be used in open forums without the permission of the individual and simply put, that is what brought me here. I'm actually surprised the moderators let it go by.

Now folks, I promise you I will not utilize this forum again in this manner regardless of anyone's responses or actions. I believe the pages of her ranting spoke for themselves. However, I did want to be sure that the facts were set straight, at least as I and my colleagues perceive them.

So please accept my apology for the need to post this clarification and regardless of any member's future reactions or responses, I will deal with them privately.

HEY SKY! I need to speak with you and my old computer crashed along with all it's information. You've been doing such great work! I have a few questions so I'll give you a PM and possibly you can help answer them (I will forever envision you as a wise sage on a lofty mountaintop somewhere!).

Thanks to everyone for their patience during what I fully realize is a disturbance to the flow of this board. It will not happen again from these quarters.

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Postby RANDY » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:35 pm

Karen,

I wrote you a private e-mail and told you to correct the above one or I will post your e-mail to me that states the opposite. If you are not nuts you would not say one thing in a private e-mail to me and another here. So the ball is in your court. Good thing I do not have a husband who could be accused of doing things to me publicly when it was not true. That is nuts Karen. Both items.

And your name, if you are public with this, can be used..more facts ..nothing bad was said about you..that was in your head since you came here with that thought in mind since you have tattle tail children riling you up.That is obvious.

Randy

And how you use a 128 does count since MENSA is 130. I have many 148 friends who are useless in society darling. 118 is average..128 is superior....look up your facts once again.

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Postby RANDY » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:39 pm

Greg is no longer with MRF. My name is on Marys list from day one and since she disclikes me a decides, as a non-profit not to send me items which is illegal and against the non-profit rules.

This is one reason why the NMO formed. Mary was not playing by the rules.
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Postby RANDY » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:51 pm

. Randy, I RECEIVED the email that included all of the addresses that you did not blind cc, and I for one, not being a supporter of this or any other war, did not appreciate it's content. This opened my computer to vulnerability of MANY to utilize this list and as I said, I am STILL dealing with the fallout. Sabrina was irresponsible in re-posting the list, leading to the same results. PLEASE do not email me, anyone, with 'inspirationals' that support war or the military in any form.

If it was the poem my friend wrote, I can post it here. It went out to all that I thought were friends...since that is how you acted just a few days ago with your friendly e-mails of apology.
Fallout, from who saying what..most of the people on the list don't know you are care one thing about you.

The e-mail was to support the troops. I do not stand behind or support this war but I do support the troops. If it is the poem you are talking about.shame on you for saying anything about it. It is a christmas poem to the rhyme of Night before Christmas...unless you are against X-mas too??????
This is what youa re complaining about..Shame on you!!!

The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.
My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
Transforming the yard to a winter delight.
The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.
The sound wasn't loud, and it wasn't too near,
But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear.
Perhaps just a cough, I didn't quite know,
Then the sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
And I crept to the door just to see who was near.
Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
A lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.
A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
Perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold.
Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.
"What are you doing?" I asked without fear,
"Come in this moment, it's freezing out here!
Put down your pack, brush the snow from your eeve,
You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!"
For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts..
To the window that danced with a warm fire's light
Then he sighed and he said "Its really all right,
I'm out here by choice. I'm here every night."
"It's my duty to stand at the front of the line,
That separates you from the darkest of times.
No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I'm proud to stand here like my fathers before me.
My Gramps died at Pearl on a day in December,"
Then he sighed, "That's a Christmas Gram always remembers." My
dad stood his watch in the jungles of 'Nam',
And now it is my turn and so, here I am.
I've not seen my own son in more than a while,
But my wife sends me pictures, he's sure got her smile.
Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
The red, white, and blue... an American flag.
I can live through the cold and the being alone,
Away from my family, my house and my home.
I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.
I can carry the weight of killing another,
Or lay down my life with my sister and brother..
Who stand at the front against any and all,
To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall."
"So go back inside," he said, "harbor no fright,
Your family is waiting and I'll be all right."
"But isn't there something I can do, at the least,
"Give you money," I asked, "or prepare you a feast?
It seems all too little for all that you've done,
For being away from your wife and your son."
Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
"Just tell us you love us, and never forget.
To fight for our rights back at home while we're gone,
To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
For when we come home, either standing or dead,
To know you remember we fought and we bled.
Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
That we mattered to you as you mattered to us."


If you are angry about this poem daarling you are in my opinion evil.
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Postby RANDY » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:16 pm

Just to prove that this Karen lies. and then no more personal stuff unless someone starts up and I have to defend.

Karen wrote:

Randy,

That was my TOTAL screw up. I thought you got the big jars 'cause I never saw them and Marc in his funny Terminator way says 'You unpack da box Karen?' I said no, I've just been getting the little jars out of the box inside the box. 'You HAVE da big jars!' Because I had been buying the little jars. I told him.....'No Marc, there are no big jars' and he called me a potatohead in good humor and said 'Where iz da box?' I told him in the closet closed up, I hadn't unpacked it just kept it dark and cool. He said 'go and get da box!' So I did. He told me to take the smaller box out and then take the packing out and tada! There were the two BIG JARS stuck on either side of the smaller box. I'd already bought 4 of the small ones 'cause I didn't even know they were there! I completely misunderstood and thought you got the big jars and I got the little jars and he said 'You probly just den trow da big jars away?' I said 'NO, I would have felt the weight but I never unpacked the box, just thought he packed it snug.

So this is totally MY BAD. And Hell no, you don't pay shipping! I've got packages to go out tomorrow and yours will go right along with it! I've been meaning to email or call but I got chemtrailed for nearly 2 weeks now.

Randy writes: Packages never went out tommorrow. This was written 11/26.

Point proven.

Now enough of these lies..can we carry on about the diease now?
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Postby RANDY » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:22 pm

12. I have another question for you. If you cared so much about me or any other patient in the past, why did you have to wait until my festival (and let's clear that grammar up right now. You had nothing to do with the planning, creation or carrying out of the event, in fact you cost another Morgie a seat on a flight) to tell me there was such a wonderful topical available at an affordable price? I've been curious about that for quite some time.

First I have been posting about it for quite some time on my site. I can not help that you do not visit my iste. This is not my problem. Plus we never really talked until the planning stage of you festival..correct?

Another lie...I never cost anyone anything. You know the real story Karen.

When the person offered a free flight to your basically botched event (poor planning and it cost more money then they made..honest truth there) ....using her frequent flyer miles I said yes but when she could not use them and had to actually pay for the plane fare out of her own pocket I could not do this and decided to use my passes (which I get since dad was a pilot for AA.)

There was no space available on the flight so I did not go plus mom had forgotten to pay her $12.00 from her last flight and they held up the passes until she mailed in $12.00.

Stop BS-ing all the time. I see where London gets her bad info about me. It is from you! How horrible are you. Pretend to be a friend and stab someone behind the back wile doing so. G-d you are nuts!

Randy

Now if she stops BS-ing on this site I will stop answering her lies with truths. It is in your court Karen.
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