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Postby ukguy » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:40 pm

tamtam wrote:A random suggestion:

Macbeth Syndrome


OUCH......

How are you Ms Bione?

Just wondering what's a gal like you doing in a place like this,
or Lymebusters and Morgellonswatch for that matter?

One thing that deeply concerns me about Morgellonswatch is that you
have a very deliberate, highly organised and reactive presence by
knowledgable people with definite agenda - to debunk this 'condition'.

Now I can only imagine what kind of background the author(s) of
Morgellonswatch come from but it seems to me that someone as
knowledgeable and intelligient as this would have better things to
do with their time than to debunk a condition affecting thousands
of 'delusional' people. If the authors seemed in any way
compassionate towards the plight of the sufferers my opinion
would no doubt change but that is not the case at all. Their overall
tone is one of sneering superiority and self-righteousness.

So Ms Bione what is it for you? Professional interest? Compassion?

Surely you can see now that there is alot more to this than an
incredibly weak and lazy DOP diagnosis would suggest?

Yours
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Postby ukguy » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:42 pm

Hi Systemic

I did find a worm....running short on time so will tell all tomorrow.

Cheers
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Postby Skytroll » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:24 pm

Nettimo,

I usually check my spelling, but, I was still in the bushes. Fighting the gnats. They are bouncing everywhere.

Yes, I used Oregano, which like you said is an antibiotic, on the large bumps, and within days I was retrieving organisms out, so I do know it works.

On LB, there are many who use this also for the large organisms.

Thank you for sharing your use of this with us.

I do like the essential oils, use eucalyptus when having breathing problems, unless extreme, then have to use a real doc for advice, but, generally try to stay antibiotic free, which most doctors agree with. The reasons they do is because biofilms can form inside the gut, when too many bacterias are quorum sensing and plan a meeting.

UKguy,
How have you been? Are you still taking pictures?

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prions

Postby nettimo » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:29 pm

Skytroll,
About your post on 9/11 re. prions and protease-resistant PrP isoform detected in urine of hamsters, cattle and humans suffering from transmissible spongiform encephalopathies:

Are you familiar with the book called "Brain Trust, The Hidden Connection Between Mad Cow and Misdiagnosed Alzheimer's Disease" by Colm A. Kelleher, Ph. D., released in 2005?
Most interesting forensic medicine exploration re. the importation of infectious kuru into North American from New Guinea fifty years ago, where numerous mammals (including hamsters) were deliberatedly infected with prion disease in research facilities at several locations in U.S. Some of these animals were allowed to mingle with wildlife and author reveals how this disease has spread and the government coverup
which continues today...

And everybody still wonders re. UFO's/aliens in in southwest and the cattle mutilations. Just a little clandestine monitoring by the US govt...on behalf of the ranchers and the meat industry...
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prions

Postby nettimo » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:29 pm

Didn't mean to double post. Don't know how that happened when I tried to edit...
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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:14 am

nettimo,

Thank for the post on the book, will look at that. My mother supposedly died from Alzheimers, what a hoot by the programmed docs. It wasn't Alzheimers, in my book. I think it was related to Mad Cow. She was clearly aware at times, but, that seems to be the diagnosis, or coverup diagnosis for what it really is.
The Hampsters, wonder how many Morgies have or do own hampsters. Ever wonder where they came from?

Oh, found this, though to be quite interesting, Mr Tam Tam.
Maybe we might anchor our foundation under the canopy of the NEW BIO LAB in the poor area of town, seems they will be bringing in a lot of money.
However, Bostonians have other ideas:
snip from article titled:
Boston to regulate research
The City of Boston is likely to become the first major urban center in the U.S. to monitor research on dangerous organisms
[Published 11th September 2006 05:00 PM GMT

"The proposed regulations would require that all BSL-3 and BSL-4 labs, plus BSL-2 labs working with attenuated strains of high-risk viruses, apply for operating permits. The federal government defines BSL-4 labs as those that work with incurable diseases and BSL-3 labs as those working with agents that may cause serious illness and possible death. Under Boston's proposed regulations, city officials would set training standards and would regularly inspect those labs, with no prior notice needed. In addition, institutional biosafety committees mandated for all labs would be required to include two community representatives, one approved by the city, and to meet at least twice a year, once in public. Classified research and research to create bioweapons would be banned, and whistleblowers would be protected from retaliation. Violators could be fined $1,000 per day and lose their permits.
Several affected institutions are actively opposing all or part of the proposed regulations, including the Massachusetts Biotechnology Council, pharma giant Merck and Co. and Harvard University. Many opponents have complained that the regulations would force them to publicize intellectual property that competitors, activists and even terrorists might use to their own advantage. In a July letter to Auerbach, the MBC warned that the regs "would severely limit, not support, the growth of biopharma in Boston."
Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor, doesn't buy the confidentiality complaint. Universities and corporations already routinely review planned and in-progress research "without issues involving breach of confidentiality," he told The Scientist.
Edward Hammond, who has analyzed the minutes of IBC meetings nationwide for the Sunshine Project, a bioweapons monitoring group, agrees. "The overwhelming proportion of the business of biosafety does not involve security-sensitive information," he said, and the "tiny fraction" that does can be withheld without anyone objecting.
Many community activists believe that Boston's recent history proves the regulations are needed. BU has been a lightning rod for criticism ever since the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases awarded the university about $128 million in 2003 to build a seven-story, combined BSL-2, -3 and -4 lab in one of Boston's poorest neighborhoods, the Roxbury-South End area. In April 2004, 146 Massachusetts professors sent a letter to the mayor and BU's trustees saying that the neighborhood was too congested to allow research on incurable BSL-4 diseases like Ebola virus. Two days later, BU ran full-page newspaper ads listing 330 scientists supporting the lab. Community opposition to the lab increased in January 2005, when news broke that three BU researchers had infected themselves with tularemia and that BU didn't inform the Boston Public Health Commission until six months after the first two infections.
Eugene Benson, staff attorney for Alternatives in Community and Environment, a Roxbury activist group that opposed the BU lab, said the new regulations will fill a critical gap "because there is no comprehensive federal or Massachusetts regulatory program for BSL-3 and -4 laboratories."
Ebright also noted the dearth of meaningful federal regulation. "There are no - zero -binding federal regulations on biosafety," he said, just unenforced guidelines that apply only to laboratories that work with select agents or perform rDNA research with National Institutes of Health funding. Mandatory regulations that do exist for select agents concern biosecurity, he said, not biosafety. Kristin Golden, director of policy and planning for the BPHC, told The Scientist that the proposed regulations are currently being revised in response to feedback, but that she expects the commission will approve them in the next 60 days.
Source:http://www.the-scientist.com/news/daily/24679/

ITS A START PEOPLE..............ooooooooooohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:27 am

Sarah Bione,

You said,
"If your condition is a fungus/bacteria/alga caused from a phorid fly, then it should be quite simple to have a researcher in one of those areas confirm that for you, and you should be better in no time. What steps have you taken to pursue this? "

In fact the EPA, Univer of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, will not inform the public of its true nature. Some morgies have visited there with samples, and it is all HUSH HUSH.....

There are no tests for this, educate yourself on this, this is what we are doing here. We are researching this, Sarah, please either help us research or go fight on Morgellons Watch over there, you seem to have a wonderful audience and such great feed back there. You attack sick people. I do not find that compassionate at all.

What type of researcher could I get who will look at this? the USDA? FDA? Michigan State Extension Service, they will not even identify the reduvid-type bug I found 5 years ago.

Univ of Michogan said I was DOP. Therefore, when DOP is put in there first, guess what, we get NOWHERE!

There are no researchers looking at this because the coverup is too great, and you know it.

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Postby Nadas Moksha » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:50 am

net timo diddo the double post ive done numerous... im kreeping on dial up thus the delayed post a bit laggin off topic .. . sure wish i could trade some paranoia for money somewhere so i could afford DSL....

WAT up UK! i ditto that perspective as well!

she is assigned to monitor this thread for sure... .

pretencious doesent even come close... i tried a little a assymetry just probing for humanity, it could be some cheap old AI needing some updated Human drivers ... if shes a bot than its bound to SKy ... Sky prob repeatedly hit too many KEY notes in sequence triggering those red neck tactics. or im stone walling and she is just a real red neck.

ohh the esential oils do hack them topically..

try to get some down the hatch...


tam tam you damn poet. laghter just might break the loop cause when i let the data contain the emotions ive noticed the heat shock phenom.... if i try to make light of all the evil it seems to allow a tiny window for what
my gross body is doing to undo what they have done..
this mind body connection has allowed me to conjur (no not solomans tetragramatron "thats olny when the SH%t gets deep) an approach that so far seems to help..

ill post the banishing after its typoed in ascii

-nadas
http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper41.html
PAPER 41 - PHYSICAL ASPECTS OF THE LOCAL UNIVERSE
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Postby Nadas Moksha » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:52 am

net timo diddo the double post ive done numerous... im kreeping on dial up thus the delayed post a bit laggin off topic .. . sure wish i could trade some paranoia for money somewhere so i could afford DSL....

WAT up UK! i ditto that perspective as well!

she is assigned to monitor this thread for sure... .

pretencious doesent even come close... i tried a little a assymetry just probing for humanity, it could be some cheap old AI needing some updated Human drivers ... if shes a bot than its bound to SKy ... Sky prob repeatedly hit too many KEY notes in sequence triggering those red neck tactics. or im stone walling and she is just a real red neck.

ohh the esential oils do hack them topically..

try to get some down the hatch...


tam tam you damn poet. laghter just might break the loop cause when i let the data contain the emotions ive noticed the heat shock phenom.... if i try to make light of all the evil it seems to allow a tiny window for what
my gross body is doing to undo what they have done..
this mind body connection has allowed me to conjur (no not solomans tetragramatron "thats olny when the SH%t gets deep) an approach that so far seems to help..

ill post the banishing after its typoed in ascii

-nadas
http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper41.html
PAPER 41 - PHYSICAL ASPECTS OF THE LOCAL UNIVERSE
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Postby Barz » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:05 am

Tam Tam, Is this what you were referring to regarding Macbeth Syndrome?


http://www.bloodjournal.org/cgi/content ... 02/10/3467


or was that a comment directed at Ms. Bione? Excuse my ignorence!!!
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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:59 am

Barz,

I like that one.

Hey, this is why we can't find any good Scientific Researchers:

..."fact is, senior scientists are training more and more postdocs for reasons that have nothing to do with these burgeoning scientists’ future careers. They are to benefit the careers of the mentors. Essentially, young scientists are being kept in indentured servitude for longer and longer periods."
......We need to be more honest with our trainees, and we need to start balancing their needs with our own quests for laboratory empires. That means:
• A rethink of the system that uses postdocs as lab slaves
• More independent positions
• A separate track that trains scientists for a career in industry
• A focus on quality of training
• Opportunities to combine PhD research with study in other areas, such as business, administration, and the arts.
We’ve taken up many of these issues in our pages, and we’ll continue to do so. We invite your input. If we don’t stop to think about how many scientists we really need, we’re going to end up with an awful lot of underemployed, disgruntled scientists, and that’s not good for anyone, or for science.

Snips from:
Are We Training Too Many Scientists?
It’s time to come to grips with how we’re misleading and hurting young aspiring researchers.
SOURCE: http://www.the-scientist.com/article/daily/24457/

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Postby Barz » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:48 am

I think our problem with getting help is the good ole American Dream. I curse the person who coined that phrase. It has turned into nothing but conspicuious consumption. Greed, greed and more greed. We need to keep our shareholder's happy philosophy.

Listen up people, now is the time for all good men (and women) here to come to the aid. . . of each other. If we don't unite and start to get the show on the road---- how much longer are you willing to wait? What will it take to make you unite? A loved one passing? No. Many morgies have seen it happen. Myself for one, Sky, you said your mother, how about the lady on medical mysteries primetime show - I think she was Ann Dill? How about Travis? How about SueLs son? After he died there were still fibers coming out of him! What is it going to take for us to get our **** together and get moving. I would like to be here to see my kids grow up. I do not want to leave them without fighting. I have had diabetes for almost 30 years. Since I was diagnosed, they told me there would be a cure within ten years. Well, guess what? There will never be a cure because 1. It can be controlled with medicine. and 2. It is way too profitable to big pharm and greedy shareholders to take that kind of loss.

Okay, that said, it is going to take years to leagally get this off the ground. Are you gonna be here? Tell me, where will you be. On LB trying to figure out what kind of parasite it is this week or will you be questioning the people who are supposed to be looking out for you and not big pharm or big whoever is going to loose so much in the market because of this getting out? Come on people stand up and stick up for yourselves. We deserve better than this. Our loved ones and our future generations on this planet deserve better than this.
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