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Postby Barz » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:50 am

Mods, Yes I find it very offensive that someone would breach the anonimity code of coduct on this site amongst many other insulting posts.
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Postby Linn » Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:01 am

OK I am lost like usual with the discussions here.
DVE was first mentioned by London I thought?
Even gave a picture of him with blond dreadlocks.

And sometimes it seems that there are two different Randys? :?

Randy does have valid points about TAM. I think they make sense.
He does need to explain things more clearly. I have said that from the getgo. In plaine English and tell the entire story. or No one is going to listen.
I do not see what harm it is to ID oneself. If you are a doctor or micro-biologist or what not spit it out. Randy wymore has bravely done so.
You dont have to say your name on the forum but you can sy if you are a doc or not.

If you are serious as to what you have discovered is causing this disease

then contact those agencies and let us know the outcome.

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If you go back you will see who said what and when.

and we all need to lighten up a bit and laugh at each other as every one has learnrd to do on other threads here.
WE agree to disagree. :) I think if you called me a nimrod or dim wit I would crack up. :lol:
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Postby RANDY » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:25 am

Tam tam and Dr Schwartz did have a short discussion on this site. Tam tam did mention another drug. I am not repeating myself again to you, because you do not listen, and you twist around, which is not the way to conduct a basic logical argument.

Before I go.....Please find these. All post by Schwartz were posted by Grace or me. Schwartz never visited this site..ever.

Also I am not saying that people can not post what they feel. I am just saying I have a right to correct or ask if the info sounds fishy and I have a right to be answered.

And also Mr Van Eeden wrote to me without telling me not to reveal his ID, so I was not obligated to keep it a secret. He wrote to my personal E-mail and many have known his real name for months..so the secret not really a scientist thing..has been out of the box for a long time.

Those new to the site maybe thought he was a scientist since he never said he was or not. He never said what he was..it was all part of the cryptic thing.

People I have nothing against anyone at all except those that try to hurt and distract and those that say I am trying to do that. I am not. I have always posted my name and phone number. People call me. They ask questions. I am not claiming to be or make people believe I am anything but who I am, a fellow sufferer.

I am not asking you to go to a major agency with my thesis and defend it for me without telling you who I am and what I do for a living. That would be insane to even ask someone to do especially if they had no idea what my thesis was about.

If you have a thesis the person who invented it defends it. He does not ask those that do not understand it to defend it for him. That is nuts..sorry it is.

That is what Cilla is asking for all of you to do. I have a right to say that is out of the norm and probably dangerous if you want to be known as sane. That is all I am saying. No more , no less.

For the beginning I have stated if this guy is real, then help us 100%, be straight forward, stop with the cryptic S--T and go to the proper authorities and defend your thesis and really help us. Do not ask us to defend your thesis when we have no idea what you are talking about. What is so horrible about stating that.

The Wymore thing..is cleared up. Someone sent me something, I repeated it. Looked for it , could not find it and apologized. He accepted, case closed.

The Mary thing...I still stand on the grounds that you do not name a disease unless you have discovered it. It is a priveledge to name a disease. She should have called it Unknown fibre disease.

Also she lost ground by saying that California, Florida and Texas have it and most people have lyme when those areas DO NOT have large lyme populations. What is wrong with that truth?

For some reason the Truth is not taken in very well on this site...just lots of ooobie jooobie stuff that no one can make sense of.

I also know that if you do the 3 months of anti biotic/fungal/parasitic and do the Septra/Avelox and other Schwartz routine you will be up and about in 9 months..that is another truth. I am proof of that truth. So what is wrong with that? I was bedridden for 2 years and now I am up and about 14-16 hours a day.

What is wrong with truth. I just do nt sugar coat. That is all. You guys need a tougher skin if you are in this fight. This fight is for our lives. YOu need tough skin. I have it. You need to get it. This is going to be a tough fight and the BS-ers need to be boiled to the top so the truth bearers will prevail.

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Postby Linn » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:47 am

Randy: Those new to the site maybe thought he was a scientist since he never said he was or not. He never said what he was..it was all part of the cryptic thing.

People I have nothing against anyone at all except those that try to hurt and distract and those that say I am trying to do that. I am not. I have always posted my name and phone number. People call me. They ask questions. I am not claiming to be or make people believe I am anything but who I am, a fellow sufferer.

I am not asking you to go to a major agency with my thesis and defend it for me without telling you who I am and what I do for a living. That would be insane to even ask someone to do especially if they had no idea what my thesis was about.

If you have a thesis the person who invented it defends it. He does not ask those that do not understand it to defend it for him. That is nuts..sorry it is.


Well said
See thats what I meant to say but I am not good w/words :lol:
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Now does'nt that make sense people? No one is going to take Tams "theory" seriously if he is so secretive.

There may be a valid theory there but he has to come out. :!:

We will all support him if he would just come out and present his info in a non "cryptic" manner that makes sense.
There is a lot of theories posted _at_ Lymebusters that people come right out and describe and they make a lot of sense, and can be tested as to possabilities to explore.

Also some have had good results such as Randy here with Schwartz protocal, Of which I would like to know how I can recieve treatment from him. :?: :?: Please.

Since no one definatly knows the cause for sure at present to me, all theories are welcome.

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Personaly I like the name morgellons :)
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Postby RANDY » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:53 am

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/nimrod.html


Some very wise words from a person watching this site, who just called me.

Excuse the typos....I was taking dictation.

In any effort to effect change, be it political, academic or scientific, whatever, the import of the message, it is diluted absent credability on the part of the messenger.

A policitical acitvist of postion, an academic treatise--anything trying to get some sort of message out to the public requires credability verifiable credability on the part of whatever entity is claiming responsibility for the idea or position.

This is why we have boards of directors, boards of governors, editors at large. These are the people with the recognizable credientials who support whatever is being put forth.

The video is beatifully produced , but absent any verification of the producing party as to his academic, scientific or other credentails which would be recognized by the doctors and governing parties to whom you want to send this ....it becomes nothing more than an INDUSTRIAL,LIGHT AND MAGIC production.

Anybody watching this is seeing a great video but if you dont know who made it, then it looses any possible merit and also becomes more questionable because the designer is hiding in this vail of silence in the shadow.
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Postby Linn » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:41 am

Well Nimrod thought he was high and mighty
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Postby RANDY » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:42 am

Question: Where and who does Tam get his samples for the video from?

If no one knows who he is, where does he get his samples for the video?

If he does not have this..where are the samples from if not from internet pictures made up to be a hollywood production by a computer genius.

Any takers on this one?
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Postby Doc44 » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:11 am

Get over it. This disease is known world wide as MORGELLONS. There is nothing to be gained toward the benefit of those sick with this conditon by someone continually ranting and raving and being critical of everything that others do. These rants are old reruns...over and over. If someone has something new and positive to say or a NEW critique then do it....otherwise save the space and reading time for those interested in getting helpful information, new ideas, and new news.

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I would be interested to know of the positive contributions of some of these ranting, overly critical posters who try to appear above others by bashing people who are at least trying to actually do something constructive.

This critical post was needed.... I am positive.
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Postby RANDY » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:45 am

My contribution is that I have had this for almost 5 years.

I started off bedridden for two years. Sick and unable to work, think or function and thinking of suicide because I did not want ot be a burden to friends and family.

I had HUGE lesions covering my face HUGE lesions that would not heal. HUGE lesions that dripped white liquid and oozed. Then they attacked my lower arms, ate away at my skin and left huge white marks void of pigment. This condition still exists and it is very ugly.

They even left huge places where the fatty tissue under the skin was eaten out, like between my thumb and first finger..I had a lesion that went from the palm all the way through. And that lasted for 6 months and was very painful.

I was desperate. No doctor would give me meds. I had no insurance and I was a sinlge mom with a child to care for, a mortgage, car payments, no alimony or child support and I coudl not work outside the home or run my translation business.

A good friend decided to help me and I got meds and a team of doctor friends decided we were going to beat this. This is my possy who I count on for good advice. We were on a mission to figure out how to beat this with meds.

They placed me on the routine I mentioned above. Three months of lamasil, then erithromyacin for three moths and then flagyl for three months. I ate macrobiotically.

For the first time in 2 years I was able to get up for more than 5 minutes at a time without sweating and having to go back to bed. It was a miracle to me.

Within a month after the last treatment, I found, by way of a guy named Jeff, Dr Schwartz and we started talking and I told eveyone about him although they tried to stop me at NUSPA, but I persisted. They even banned me and then all fo a sudden everyone was on the Schwartz wagon but no one ever said thanks..but I figured at least I helped..I did not need to be thanked.

He has now helped thousands of people although he has some problems..he is a good man. I was the one who got the word out about his protocol against ALL ODDS. ME!!!!! That is the truth. and I was ripped to shreads about it but I insisted.

Then, I got a full time job stocking shelves so I would not infect people at a day job. I went on his protocol and then on the second one. I worked that job for a year and a half. But the work was broing and below me so I gathered up my Cobra and moved on.

I re-started my agency which is now in full swing again. I also got a weekend job as an night audit so I will not have much people contact but will still make a living doing something I enjoy. I have my week free to build up my business and I amy be starting a new retail establishment in NC after we sell this house.

I am almost lesion free..I have 4 on my right arm that come and go but my face is clear. I can work and work and not get tired most of the time. I have some bad days sometimes.

I am a walking, talking, typing example of this disease and I know what I am talking about from experience.

I also have seen BS-ers come and go..and things repeat over and over again.

My mom has this and I have helped her get better. We are not cured, just able to keep it at bay. That is all anyone can ask.

I have many friends who have this. Some I have gotten to know via my invlovement with this disease and my site and public image. Others are friends that may or may not have caught this from me and my guilt about that is HUGE. I have still not seen two friends that had children 2 years ago for fear of infecting those children.

I know how to keep this at bay. I know that Gold Bond powder works to clear up those really big deep scary lesions. I know panafil and accuzyme helps heal lesions if they are really bad.

So, yeh, I know a bit, more than most. I am an ELDER of this disease. Like it or not. I am not trying to be smarter or more popular or any stupid thing like that. To think that is just plain dumb..in a huge way!

This disease takes away any false pride you may have. It strips you down to bare nothing but it also makes you fight for your life and fight if you know you are right and fight for the life of others.

And Doc..you better than anyone knows you do not name a disease unless you have first discovered it. I could care less if it is called Morgellons..but who ever discovers it, will have the right to name it, and if they do not want ot call it Morgellons..they will not. No biggie to me either way. I am not about a name. I am about a cure. I was going over that to defend a post that was prior to that one.

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Postby Cilla » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:40 pm

Hi all,

The last thing that you want is for Randy to be banned. The more she says not to write to the ECDC, or the NIH, the more I can set out reasons, of a logical and legal nature, why you should!

I did say, in the past, not to allow this site to be used for gratuitous insulting of those trying to help, and especially of Tam tam, who, if he is telling the truth, is most assuredly your only hope of the truth emerging and treatment being provided.

I said remaining silent was, in the opinion of an interested doctor, evidence of collusion and not indicative of deep suffering. In the same vein, commending the insulter on their clarity, in his opinion, was evidence of something stronger.

However, we have moved on. Do not allow the site to be used (purely) as a response to some of the remarks Randy makes. Some of these are silly, as she does sometimes vent without thinking, which she has admitted.

She ought to be more careful, though, because she should not be saying inaccurate and pejorative things about professional people, such as Dr Wymore.

She is, as has been said, very lucky that he is so understanding.

Not everyone is as nice as that, particularly when information has been put on an internet site. Legally, as I have indicated before, this is synonymous with publication.

I cannot understand Randy's reasoning. She is quite happy to provide all of her personal details on site, and to indicate that she is from a family of lawyers and doctors, and then to make remarks of the inaccurate and pejorative nature mentioned supra.

As sure is eggs is eggs, sooner or later someone professional will be libelled (yet again), will smell the whiff of money, (legal and medical family), and will come over all hurt, and state that their business has been adversely affected because patients/clients/customers/employers read the inaccurate material and reacted.

This is all that they have to prove for a libel action to take place.

The moderators of the site could be dragged into this too. If Randy wants to write libellous things about people she has her own site on which to let rip, and to use, because the consequences will fall on those who gaily allowed this type of behaviour to occur again and again.

Going by the type of tourist traversing South's site, it seems most logical to me that they (and many others) will be viewing this one. This is going to explode exponentially once your letters (and other actions, details to follow, based on the plan) stimulate something in the way of a response.

Once doctors are informed that this is a real new condition, of unknown origin, but that a sustainable scientific theory has been outlined here by the whistleblower, you will hardly be able to get on this site for the traffic.

Be logical. Would this not then mean that certain individuals would like it shut down, sooner rather than later? How might they do this? They could persuade someone to manipulate Randy (easily) into libelling them, and then get someone sympathetic to their cause to exert their judicial authority, and shut the site down.
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Postby Cilla » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:22 pm

For whatever reason, this site seems to attract a lot of intelligent and talented people.

Use that intelligence and talent!

Do not allow the site to be used in responding to silly remarks. Tittle tattle blocks people's memory of what has been said before. Keep reading and re-reading the intelligent posts, and act on the basis of logic and reason.

Look also at what you have been advised to write, (the actual intricate details are extremely important), and to whom, viz. the ECDC.

If Randy objects to step one of the plan, respond by stating why you should write, and list the reasons, much as Sabrina has done. Keep rationality and logic to the fore of all posts.

Let us all know, (if you do not mind), about the actual response received to the actual list of very clear questions that you insist are answered by the ECDC.

Do not forget to demand the Source Code of the pre-cloned culture.

Put all of this before interested journalists and the press. This is very much a matter of public interest. Once you get the big ball really rolling, you will never be able to stop its momentum.

If you sit back and do nothing, well, life will go on in its own sweet way, and doctors' eyes will blur over when it's you again, (the 'heartsink patient'), replete with your delusions, illusions, allusions and effusions.

Is that the future you want?

This is your chance to fight, and to change everything, not only for yourselves, but in some cases for your children. You will find it very empowering when you start to win, and win you will, provided you do not give up. Remember the inspirational words of Winston Churchill that I alluded to ages ago, about never, never, never giving up!

Even if you currently have the brain fog, give yourself a shake, a salt bath, obtain the prescribed Schwartz protocol (or similar) as advised by Randy (that was intelligent) and then write the letter!

Organise a petition, (in addition to writing the individual letters), and consider ways in which you might seek litigation.

Standby, Tam tam did say he was a scientist. He said something about him being a microbiologist who would begin the beating of the drum (about the truth behind this condition).

It is crucial that each of you print out everything that Tam tam has said, noting where this can only be understood when he is replying to a previous query, as I think there is much we may yet have missed.

Source Code.

If this cloned borg can be obtained, already in culture, by those specialist laboratories who already possess the required permit, i.e. C3 or above, you need to research who can assemble it in the first place, and who invented it, (they will probably be vain enough to boast about this somewhere in specialist scientific circles, as, in itself, the invention is clever), and what it is called. It must have a name and a number, and it must, like everything, have a price.

Gaiapache.

I still think that gaia has something to do with this.

The perfect balance of nature, (on the earth), the beautiful idea held in the 1970's, before we knew that there is no such thing, (balance), but instead warring factions of chaos, (in nature).

Think about the surface of the earth, (in a wild forest, far away), and compare this to your (infected) scalp, or other expanse of infected (usually hairy) tissue.

Names are Important.

Do not forget either the familial relationship between Gaia and Chaos, (in Greek mythology), and their relationship in turn with Sky which is another name for Uranus in the same myth.

As Lucretia said, maybe some of you know more than you think you do, and this can be indicated by choice of names, and can even be a reflection of you receiving meaning from the bacterial language and intelligence at the root of your problem.

Balance of Nature on Your Infected Scalp.

What was meant by the balance of nature? I did not mean the elements of nature, Sabrina, if that is what you were replying to when you mentioned something about earth, fire, water, ages ago.

What did they believe in the 1970's?

This is important, because I think this philosophy has been possibly transferred into this cloned culture.

Look at how the infection behaves, in the scalp, (gaiapache), and through the rest of the body, (in some very weird mode of transmission, indicated by Sabrina's remark re if you touch a lesion in one part of the body, you feel it also somewhere else).

I require further information from any of you on this phenomenon.

I require further general information from any of you who may have this and are in the UK. Obviously, I know about UK Guy and Helen, but are there only two sufferers on this site in the whole of the UK?
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this is a must read

Postby southcity » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:58 pm

his is incredibly relevant to this discussion. I am including a quote from this article, but deciding what to quote was difficult as the entire article is so full of information, names, and organisations, it left my head spinning. ALL should read this, twice, including the physicians living and working in safe, comfortable worlds of what is believed or not belived possible. keep in mind that all that is dated in the past, or disclosed today, is likely 10 to 30 years old at this point as referenced in this article. because of the current response to this illness, a safe conclusion as to will happen when a fast acting, lethal bug is released, is that we will be in "deep ****" as referenced in this article.

page 10
" Few of them, therefore, had any prior experience handling these pathogens; multiple incidents of accidental release had occurred during the previous two years."

http://www.technologyreview.com/read_ar ... 16485&pg=1
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