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Postby canalon » Thu May 18, 2006 10:04 pm

London wrote:Canalon,

I know I do not know much at all about this and the articles are very
confusing. I'm glad that you wrote and wish you all would do so more.

Let me ask you a question. Do you see Bt. as being the same thing as
anthrax? I do and it seems many scientist will agree with that as well, but I would like to hear what you think about that.


Yes I strongly advise you to start reading a few textbook about molecular biology and microbiology. You will be able to make more efficient research, and not to be afraid by the scientific language which sometimes doesn't makes thing clearer to the outlier :-)

As for Bt, or Bacillus thuringensis it is not so different fromBacillus anthracis which causes anthrax, but as far as I know there is only one known case of pathology created by Bt. It is widely used as an organic insect control, and any obvious pathology would have been seen. For something less obvious, it could have gone below the Radar of health agencies, but then you would see more than a bunch of organic farmers with a lot of problems, and this is not the case AFAIK.
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Postby RANDY » Thu May 18, 2006 10:39 pm

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Postby London » Thu May 18, 2006 11:27 pm

Dear Canalon,

Okay, thanks for your judgements. It is interesting to think about it- why we do not see more problems from the organic farmers. But here is one article on Bt. / anthrax, that made me really believe it to be:

http://www.biotech-info.net/friend_foe.html

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To all: I thought this was interesting....of course, my favorite University is involved- Stanford.

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More Spurious Stem-cell Claims


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Postby London » Thu May 18, 2006 11:32 pm

But this is a better article-


Skin stem cells − a hairy issue.

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v6/n10 ... _1095.html
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Postby canalon » Thu May 18, 2006 11:36 pm

I see. Well this seem interesting, but forget to say one thing: would the Bt/cereus mix be viable. I mean, they proved that transfer can happen, and that some care should be used before spraying with Bt, I fully agree with that. But now even if recombination happen, that will not make it a suerbug suddenly killing everyone around. B. cereus and even B. anthracis are so easy to get naturally.
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Postby hartuk » Fri May 19, 2006 12:25 am

Hello Barz, All,

Barz,this is my first post, prompted by your obvious pain and torment. It's a place I know agonisingly well.

Randy gives good and accurate treatment advice. So does Tam-Tam.
This is how I have ONLY controlled my version of this infection.

A rotating range of Vitamins, Minerals, Enzymes and Pro-Biotics
Always Essential Oils and Environment Control - de- humidifier, allergy vacuum etc Strict Anti-Candida/Marshall Protocol diet...

1 year 200/300mg day Minocycline, the Schwartz Septra/Bactrim/Avelox/Biltricide/Diamataceous Earth Protocol, Pulses of High Dose Ivermectin,

Moxidectin, Biltricide and high dose Diflucan and Itraconazole as well as all the topical anti - fungal lotions and potions on the market....and more, much

more including Chloramphenical for my eyes.
My story is Randys story, I had mirror lesions on my feet, my shins, my forearms, my face and my back. My mental state was poor, self-esteem

especially..
Today I am in a much better place. I am lesion free, I itch rarely, however, my eyes,scalp and neck are stubbornly resistant. Beyond reasonble belief.
I have been taking 100mg per day of Itraconazole(Sporanox) alternated with Diflucan 150mg per day for 6 weeks now(No ABX) and I think that this may be

the quickest way back to a reasonably relaxed and sane plateau.
There was some relief for me after the first 3 days of Sporanox.

I feel also that Biltricide works, with its its added surfectant Sodium Lauryl Sulphate, but I'm not sure for how long, or even how, and the same applies to

Ivermectin.
Having said this, I realise my Biltricide day was Biltricide without SLS as it was the vetinary version.
But I am left wondering why do Bayer, add Sodium Lauryl
Sulphate, a Garage Floor Degreasant, to the human version of
this anti- helemitic drug.

Anyway, rotation is the key and possibly(or not) in my case, a high dose of reckless experimentation and agressive visualisation.

To be honest, words really escape me, but how totally and utterly ridiculous is that ?

Also, a number of Parasites seem to be able to change the behaviour of the occupied host, maybe by creating a chemical which acts as a Dopamine

antagonist or agonist.

Could it be possible that our Dopamine levels are being manipulated in this way?
My imagination is rioting.

Respectfully Yours,
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Postby London » Fri May 19, 2006 7:32 am

Canalon,

You see, I thought that the transgenic crops and the use of Bt could cause superbugs....I had gathered this information when I had a crash course > Stanfords Microbiology and Immunology Dept's
" Innate immunity and genetic manipulation" Course.....But I really did not understand a lot of it.

Here is something that states just that (re: Bt and superbugs) but I do not know how to tell a good source from a bad one on the internet.

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Environmental Effects


The herbicide-resistant crops ar expected to result in a 3-fold increase in
herbicide use. When these GE plants cross-pollinate with wild species in
the fields, herbicide resistant superweeds can result (and are already
being seen), which spread wildly, force out other species, and create
ecological havoc. The use of insect resistant crops containing BT toxin
can result in superbugs that resist pesticides and also damage organic
production.
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Postby hartuk » Fri May 19, 2006 8:23 am

Moderators, please remove the above post. This has no relevence

here and distracts attention totally from the preceeding discussion.

Randy can you explain why( in a couple of sentences please) why

you have posted this link and why are you spamming this board with

links to your own site.

London, Canlon, All...

[Canalon Edit Note: The message was indeed out of topic and was suppressed. Pleeaaase ALL! this thread is long, try limit yourself to post relevant info!]

Here are "Hairy Images" of the transluscent gel surrounding the

root of one hair from a lesion on my scalp.


http://www.to4c.com/gello/index1.htm

I'm wondering if organic farmers eat their own produce.

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Postby London » Fri May 19, 2006 8:53 am

Hartuk- Regarding the farmers eating their own crops.....makes one think, eh? Dunno, I feel sorry for them at times. Monsanto has done a number on them. They have to actually buy the seed back from Monsanto every year now. (Instead of having their own real, natural ones).

Here's another article (partial) on Bt. and the superweeds/ superbugs:

Superweeds and Superbugs
There are also fears that Genetically-engineered crops will stimulate the evolution of "superweeds" and "superbugs" which will necessitate higher doses of chemicals and make food supplies more vulnerable to pest damage.

A common application of genetic engineering in agriculture is the development of crops which produce their own insecticide. The most common way of achieving this has been to splice into a plant a gene derived from a soil bacterium, known as Bt. This organism produces a protoxin which, when eaten by some insects and their larvae, destroys their digestive tracts and kills them.

Continuous production of the Bt toxin by genetically-engineered plants is likely to create a strong selection pressure on insects to develop resistance. The evolution of "superbugs" which are resistant to the toxin or which switch to eating other plants is thus highly likely. Once this occurs, farmers will have to return to using chemical insecticides -- until the pests evolve resistance to these too.

Some scientists, meanwhile, are seeking to engineer plants to be resistant to fungi, bacteria and viruses. Field trials involving tomatoes, potatoes, squash, cucumber and cantaloupe have already taken place. Evidence is accumulating that engineering viral resistance in plants could lead to the development of new viruses, which could give rise to potentially more serious diseases

http://www.thecornerhouse.org.uk/item.shtml?x=52230
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Hartuk,

Sorry about your scalp. I've been lucky in this area. But they got close> right above my ear (actually where it connects to head). But, I have got those hairs now on my eyelashes. It's scary!
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Postby hartuk » Fri May 19, 2006 9:27 am

London,

Last summer I had a serious dry cough for 8 weeks which would not go.

Many other people also.

I thought I had developed Asthma and a doctor I see thought Sarcoidosis as I have also had tick bites.

I suppose Anthrax might create such a cough as this.
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Postby London » Fri May 19, 2006 11:59 am

Dear hartuk,

Definitely it could. But unless Anthrax ( which I know nothing about) can produce the type of lesions we have-

I just don't see it yet. I mean, I think it is but, then again, if you look at the photos of Anthrax victims, you will know that we do not have what the photos show. The photos I saw of Anthrax patients sores looked totally different then ours.

But you know, there can be many strains of Anthrax created:

Bacterial, etc.,

Sorry I'm not of more help~

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Postby Mazie » Fri May 19, 2006 5:08 pm

I have been reading this page for sometime and the information shared is incredible! So many are so smart and helpful, I'm truly amazed. But I have a question for London.
London on a previous page you said someone here is a fake and a fed but you didn't name themm, would you please tell us who this person is, we need to know. This is scary and uncomfortable, this is my first post and I'm almost afraid to post it but I think it's very important. thank you so much. Mazie
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