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Postby Linn » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:01 am

Then the confusing part was where you stated "Like the one
we have In Texas

what I missed that!

London I am trying to start getting some real work
done nd put things together, so I am asking for aswers
to questions, sky posted some excellent ones a few pages
back.
They are setting up a web page "by the people" we will try
and find some common deominators,
So we need your help,

The first question is:
Have you had a test for lymes?
if so positive or not
and if you have not yet been tested please try to do
so and then let us know the results. there are a zillion
other questions to answer, and this will take a looong time,
but its a start. Hey the Gov isnt going to do it.

And since there seems to be aquestion of relation to lymes
I want to start there. :)
"How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these".

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Postby Linn » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:19 am

thanx London,
I will see about that article I mentioned tomorrow.
I am so thnkfull you are here to help research all these things,
and that you have the same hunch as I.,
goodnight you and Helen>YOU NEED TO GET
SOME ZZZS dont you??
proper rest for our immune system :)
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Postby in_the_uk » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:28 am

Sabrina wrote:If you are in anyway associated with the vulgar website that you linked here then you are an evil and twisted person. I am having the Moderators alerted to this problem immediately.


It's almost like being stalked isn't it?

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Postby London » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:55 am

I'm Lost.....

What are you guys talking about? ( Do not answer if you don't wanna)

TamTam,

What is your take on Agent Green?

What about VX?

And any other Nerve Agent?

TamTam did you see your explanations to us on some blog site?

Do you think any publicity is good publicity?

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Postby London » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:23 am

Actions of pyridostigmine and organophosphate agents on chick cells, mice, and chickens.

Wilson BW, Henderson JD, Coatney EM, Nieberg PS, Spencer PS.

University of California, Davis, California 95616, USA. bwwilson@ucdavis.edu

Gulf War veterans
were given pyridostigmine bromide (PB) tablets to enhance the therapeutic effect of antidotes to nerve agents in the event of exposure. The goal of this research is to examine whether combined exposure to PB and sarin (agent GB) is more neurotoxic to sensitive surrogate animals, mice and chickens, than if given separately. Scoping trials were performed to establish appropriate dose-response ranges for sarin and control chemicals. IC50 values were determined in chickens and mice for in vitro inhibition of acetylcholinesterase (AChE) and neuropathy target esterase (NTE). The results indicated PB neither inhibits NTE nor does it spare sarin's inhibition of AChE. Chick embryo nerve cells in vitro showed more inhibition of AChE activity and no faster recovery when PB treatment was followed by DFP treatment than the other way around. Experiments on chickens also indicated that PB treatment did not inhibit NTE and that it crossed the blood brain barrier inhibiting brain AChE although to a lesser extent than it inhibited blood cholinesterases. Other experiments determined multiple dose levels in chickens for sarin and DFP that inhibited > 80% of NTE, considered a threshold for triggering organophosphate-induced delayed neuropathy.

PMID: 12024798 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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It's working

Postby Sabrina » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:12 am

I want to address all of the wonderful people here. I love you all so much. :D

I cannot tell you how happy and proud all of you make me. Thanks for sticking it out here and, MAN O MAN have we created some huge waves!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: Many eyes are on us. This tells me that we are making progress in a really big way.

We could have never accomplished anything to this magnitude if it were not for Tamtam and Southcity. I hope some day to be able to return to them what they have given to us. 8)

We are forcing the powers that be to move on this and it is working.

We must not be distracted by people who wish to waist our time, misdirect us, or attempt to impede our integrity. It is time to continue to work on the goals we have set out to achieve. Somebody does not want us to create this e-book or any pamphlet either. It’s time to work like never before. :x

I think it wise to get some private web space somewhere where we can all post on the projects privately so malicious people who wish to cause harm will not have the opportunity to do so. This should work out perfectly since we will need a place to organize and review easily without distraction. Perhaps a temporary yahoo group or something like that. Any suggestions? Who can help set this up?


Dear Skytroll,

I want to thank you again for your continued support. You are the most awesome researcher and we all appreciate your diverse contributions. You have a way of keeping us informed so that we always continue to think out side of the box. You are essential. The compassion you have shown to me in the recent past will always be remembered. Thank you friend.

London,

London, London, London, my problem child. Just kidding. :lol: You my dear are full of passion and enthusiasm. These qualities feed the fire that keeps us moving. Thank you for all of your hard work and persistence.

Dear Linn,

Do not be discouraged sweetie. Your project is a wonderful undertaking and we will get you going. It may take a little more time and I apologize for that. I had a John Kern issue I needed to take care of first. I have been listening to you and hearing you. We will need to use our private cyber space for this as well. Just hold on.

Helen, and Uk Guy,

You are the coolest newbie’s I have ever known. Please accept my apologies for the recent violation. Trust me when I tell you that some people are not happy with our progress and will try to stop us if they are able. They will not win because they are not pure in heart. Your ideas are refreshing and your dedication to the cause is humbling.
Hang in there, the party has just started.



To the rest that wish to remain silent,

I know I have your support. I know some of you silently cheer us on and watch our backs. Thank you for looking out for us.

As Tamtam would say….. STAY TUNED!!!

Peace,
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Postby in_the_uk » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:46 am

London wrote:I'm Lost.....

What are you guys talking about? ( Do not answer if you don't wanna)

london


I presumed, because of the tone of Sabrina's post that she had experienced something similar to what I had the other night. ie a new member, John, had been asking questions that I and otehrs were happily answering in our sharing kind of manner, and then he directed me to a website that minimises the reality of morgellons and the capacity of any one of us to distinguish between a bunch of fibres that come out of a lesion and a scrap of blood stained kleenex tissue.

http://morgellonswatch.blogspot.com/200 ... where.html

Further, something that I had said had been taken by the author of that site to further question my intelligence and understanding and quoted on the above site. My quote was taken completely out of context and very clearly used to construct and argument to suggest that basically I am not distinguishing between fibres that come of my clothing and those those appear on my hands from under my skin.

http://morgellonswatch.blogspot.com/200 ... tions.html

Of course I commented on the use of that quote but it does seem that the author of that site prowls about trying to discredit the reality of Morgellons and takes snippets from this thread to make us seem foolish as well.

From the tone of Sabrina's post I assumed that she had just had a similar experience.

Sabrina: don't worry about getting the eleaflet/ pamphlet doen. No one is trying to stop us. We are having a "meeting" today. I have been away for a few days because my computer was down.

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Postby J Jill » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:00 pm

Sharp eye, whoever found the Blog.

http://morgellonswatch.blogspot.com/200 ... where.html

For those who think it's an insult, think some more. This person(s) is giving out valuable info. For one, what the "scientific" community believes- as relates to the fibers. For another, the point is well taken that fibers are everywhere. We should study what is common so that we know what is uncommon, IMO.

It reminds me of a court case where the opposition is showing their hand or case. Their evidence should be considered and used to dispute the case for the "Fibers" or Morgellons.

The sarcasm could be used as a source of energy as well.

Pointing out that one poster was "stalked" under the heading of Electronic Harassment - Victim's Stories- was especially interesting to me. I've been a member of that category for nearly 2 years. For the record, I don't take anything stronger than vitamins and minerals in the drug department so our friend, the Blogger, can't imply that everyone with a computer cracker/stalker is a druggie.

I'll give the Blogger my story when I have the time.

Make lemonade out of the lemons!

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Postby Skytroll » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:28 pm

Helen,

Am on. Will send overview. I hope it is okay.

May have to narrow down.

Where is our web page?

Uk guy, where are you?

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Postby Skytroll » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:31 pm

Linn,

Have had Lymes test, came back negative.

But, tests are not adequate in the state of MI.

It depends on what lab it goes, to and locally they had to look it up in a book, and did not take the necessary blood work for the right tests, either, so inconclusive.

Have had Bells Palsy though, which is another symptom.

So, if can get to Bowen or Ingenex will do.

or into the LLD Lyme Literate Doctor here, will do.

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Postby in_the_uk » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:05 pm

Skytroll,

Brilliant. Send them on.

Re: the web page. ukguy sent me details in a pm and so I kind of got the idea that I sould give it a go and ask him if I get into difficulties. As I said today is devoted to this (although as the best laid plans go my friend has just rung and is dropping in for a cup of tea whilst she is in town).

ukguy did post that he was going to be busy for the next few weeks.

If you have links then send them over.

Thanks Skytroll

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Postby London » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:20 pm

Lynn,

Ditto what Sky said re: Lyme Test.

My test came back Negative as well. Again, the wrong test were performed. They just did the Elisa test on me, which is the wrong
one- it is not accurate.

I can tell you this though...I have never had a bullseye rash anywhere
on my body!

What I did have 3 years ago though.....On the back of my thigh I had this painful bump that started out looking like a red mosquito bite. A day later it looked like an ant bite, with a pustule forming.

It then got very sore- any shift in weight to that area was PAINFUL! If
I was sitting down on a pillow then decided to stand up- well OMG, it

hurt like nothing else.....the pain would radiate for at least 5 minutes.
Long Story short- I thought it was a Brown Recluse Spider bite.....

Off to the Doc in a box clinic where they thought the same thing,,,,,,
They cleaned the lesion out and applied topical and both oral antibiotics

and w/in 3 days I was fine........

I now think it might have been a staph-MSRA (Staph-A) infection......

Here's the deal now......Why get the proper Lyme test done? If I do have it it is too late for antibiotic treatment to do any good.

So there is my answer.....
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Please, someone tell me if we get a yahoo site where we should start posting our info on........this makes good sense to me too. I only posted my above here b/c I saw where Skytroll did,

You all remember......we have BKS 27!!!!! This situation is the most promising to me that the ball is starting to fall back in our court.....I wonder why the heck he does not post more info than he does?

He said "They" took him somewhere and dressed him in full body armor,
where he got to poke and jab t these organisms to try to see which one closest resembled his Morg Bug......> This to me

is saying that they indeed have "MADE" these supervector/monsters!!!

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