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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:52 pm

Skytroll wrote:Now, the Michigan DNR says that Lymes Disease is an emerging disease and is epidemic, but the Association for Local Public Health in this state,
says there is no epidemic Lymes.

Now, the Assoc of Local Public Health in all states is governed by the CDC..

Now, who is lying here?

The DNR?
The State Assoc of Public Health?
The CDC?


I don't think the Michigan DNR ever said that Lyme was at the epidemic stages in Michigan. They do say "It is anticipated that the number of cases reported will continue to increase."

I'm not sure what association you are referring to by the "State Assoc of Public Health", Are you sure you are not thinking of the Michigan Association for Local Public Health http://www.malph.org/ - that's a private 501-c3 org, not related to CDC. Or maybe the Michigan Public Health Association http://www.mipha.org/

The CDC is very open about the prevelance of Lyme disease. See:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_Incidence.htm
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Here's a state-by-state breakdown
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_rptdLymeCasesbyState94_03.htm

I don't see anywhere where the accounts of the DNR and CDC differ.

- John
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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:03 pm

Linn wrote:
what bearing might living in paraguay have on that?


Probably none. 40,000 people get diagnosed with brain tumors every year in the US (not always fatal).. Most have never been to Paraguay.

550,000 people in the US die of cancer every year, of them about 2% (11,000) die of brain tumors.

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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:24 pm

Had anyone had any experience with pimozide?
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Postby John Kern » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:29 pm

Here's something:

From:
http://www.personal.usyd.edu.au/~sdoccett/fact/delpara.htm#delento

"anyone involved with the case has the responsibility to ensure that another dermatologist or parasitologist rechecks negative findings if any doubt whatsoever exists. Despite the presence of personality traits or psychiatric symptoms which corroborate a diagnosis of delusions of parasitosis, the patient is sometimes infested. The reader is referred to a paper by Traver (1951) where she describes her suffering through a seven year infestation by the mite Dermatophagoides schermetewskyi Bogdanow. Unlike Sarcoptes scabei which is easily located in epidermal burrows, this beastie inhabits the dermis, and could not be found. The response of the physicians she consulted was quite predictable when Traver presented with formication, classical self induced excoriation, a history of trying a long list of chemical remedies, and two adult female family members living with her with identical symptoms. The details of natural history related by patients are often quite complex (Miller 1954), and depend upon the patients' previous entomological knowledge. Imagined animals range from fleas, lice and scabies through itch-mites, bedbugs and worms, to nondescript "black things" and insects new to science (Wilson and Miller 1946). In assessing the feasibility of the details related by the patient, it is important to compare these with existing knowledge"

1946! This has been going on for a while.

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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:54 pm

Thanx for that info John,
I can't speculate any more what this is. :(

Case: elderly woman with tiny, red bite marks

this woman had been cleaning the garage,
when she suddenly felt some intense itching on
her legs and arms.
the iching presented for weeks
"The itch was so horrible"

finally she was diagnosed with
mites and I do not know what kind,
The doctor prescribed some med.
case closed

lucky for her she had good docs. :)

are you an entomologist John?
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Postby ukguy » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:55 pm

To London...:)

'I'm ready for my autopsy'...funniest thing I've read in a long while :)
Hang in there London...you ARE the General ;)

Cilla

Thanks for staying with us Cilla. I know you have posted comments
specifically mentioning the UK. Really sorry I haven't had the time
to respond...have a little one on the way and things are kinda crazy.
I know you'll understand. Thank you again.

John

How could I have doubted you? Please accept my apologies.
Your input to the issues raised here has brought a breath
of fresh air. We very much needed a conventional scientist
with an open mind. The fact that you're still here says that
you belive or are at least trying to. At the very least you must
recognize the honesty and the determination expressed here.

Helen

Thanks for the UK NHS link...hope you are well! :)

ED: Haven't spoken with you yet but hang in there mate.

Linn: How can such a beautiful mind be diagnosed with DOP? :)
Keep fightin' Linn. DOP seems to me to be very much like a
convenient 'catch-all' bucket for things they don't understand
and/or have no budget for.

We will have our day no doubt. It will be sweet.

Later
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Postby Linn » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:18 pm

Linn: How can such a beautiful mind be diagnosed with DOP?

Dear ukguy,
gosh my :oops:
No I think you misunderstand

that was the first derm Iwent to. a total jerk!!!
she alluded to DOP, but I have never been diagnosed
with anything yet, this new doc said actualy I do NOT
seem delusional. And the "lesions"if you want to call them
that, are definite bites of something.
I have my hunch, but like I said I dont want to speculate pub
any more.
The derm I am seeing now, is great!! (so far)

And, I had asked myself when this first started that
maybe stress is causing this and I am imagining things.
But I have by due process eliminated that .

BTW:
I think that DOP just means its not a arthropod????
so that means if that is positively ruled out, then it
may be something else. But I think they should
change the name of that because delusional sorta denotes
"nutty" doesnt it?
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Postby ukguy » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:55 pm

Ahhh ok...:)

That's good Linn. I assumed you had had another diagnosis.

I have a friend here in the UK. This guy has a phenomenal
mind and you just know his doctor prepares for like 15 mins
before he lets him in for the appointment. ;)

Let's call him ....John ....

John has had this for years and currently, his doctor of 12 years
believes that he is creating the lesions himself. He also believes
that...just for the fun of it...he is asking for anti-helminth
prescriptions. After 12 years.

He has had no support whatsoever. His lesions are the result of
self-harming, so they say.....Which ever way we turn there is an answer.
But it's the path of least resistance. DOP.

Had enough now.

Sleep well and smile tomorrow :)

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Postby John Kern » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:00 am

Linn wrote:I think that DOP just means its not a arthropod????
so that means if that is positively ruled out, then it
may be something else. But I think they should
change the name of that because delusional sorta denotes
"nutty" doesnt it?


No DOP means that you believe you are infected with some organism that is causing your symptoms, when you actually are not.

I think DOP tends to be used as a catch-all phrase for what is really a psychodermatologic disorder. Basically something that involves your mind (psyche) and your skin (dermis).

There are three recognized types of psychodermatologic disorder. The first is the category of psychophysiologic disorders such as psoriasis and eczema - these are genuine physical conditions that can be influenced by stress. Similar conditions are psychogenic purpura, hives, rosacea and alopecia areata (autoimmune hair loss).

Secondly are the Secondary Psychiatric Disorders, where a genuine, and usually disfiguring or debilitating, skin condition causes mental trauma, depression and withdrawal.

Thirdly is the category of Primary psychiatric disorders which include trichotillomania (repeated hair pulling, including body hair), Factitial dermatitis (self injury via scratching) and delusions of parasitosis. Here the cause is purely mental.

These conditions can also occur in combination, so someone could very easily have atopic dermatitis, or an environmental allery, and also be convinced they see tiny spiders burrowing under their skin.

So you see, DOP is just one of a number of conditions where mental health is a factor in skin health.

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Postby J Jill » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:41 am

TamTam,

One question? RADIOISOTOPES: Step by Step ??
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Postby John Kern » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:47 am

J Jill wrote:TamTam,

One question? RADIOISOTOPES: Step by Step ??


What do you want to know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope
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Postby in_the_uk » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:05 am

Hi Everyone,

My computer's been down. I'll catch you later when I've had a look on the internet to find out how I can fix it.

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