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Evolution, Fake theory or real one? here we discuss..

Postby hashemyemen » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:04 am

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Show me your evidences which can make believe that evolution theory is right one... then I will show the evidences which can reject this theory....
The one who bring strong evidences according to the laws of biology, will make the other accept and admit that this theory is right or wrong....

It will be better if you answer these questions first:

What are the real, strong proofs that can support evolution theory?
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Postby david23 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:11 am

Not really a big deal
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Postby hashemyemen » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:31 am

david23 wrote:Not really a big deal


Hmmm, you are escaping from the real deal and the discussion..... :?

Go ahead... :D
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Postby JackBean » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:23 am

1) why do you still post so many pictures?
2) you don't need to write everything in bold
3) the evolution theory has been proved already several times, so as you want to disprove it, you should start
http://www.biolib.cz/en/main/

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Postby hashemyemen » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:44 am

JackBean wrote:1) why do you still post so many pictures?
2) you don't need to write everything in bold
3) the evolution theory has been proved already several times, so as you want to disprove it, you should start



Hmmmm, get some knowlede from this link :-

http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html

After you read, then come and we will start our discussion
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Re: Evolution, Fake theory or real one? here we discuss..

Postby JackBean » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:23 pm

are you kidding? That's like 50 pages. I have better things to do.

If you believe someone, who writes
4. Gene – the stuff of life, the sequence of amino acids in the double helix of DNA

than there is no debate
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Postby JackBean » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:38 pm

BTW if is evolution wrong, what is correct in your opinion?
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Postby robsabba » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:54 pm

hashemyemen wrote:
JackBean wrote:1) why do you still post so many pictures?
2) you don't need to write everything in bold
3) the evolution theory has been proved already several times, so as you want to disprove it, you should start



Hmmmm, get some knowlede from this link :-

http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html

After you read, then come and we will start our discussion
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A truly horrible link. Please explain how "One Gene: One Protein" could possibly be "Darwin's Idea," when Darwin knew nothing about genes? Then you can explain what "information" is meant in terms of DNA, and how we can measure an increase or decrease in "information complexity" in a strand of DNA. After that we can discuss the amino acid sequence of DNA, as JackBean pointed out.

As far as your question, evolution is supported by multiple lines of evidence. One of the strongest is the twin-nested hierarchy. Both classical (morphology) and genetic phylogenetic trees support the same basic tree of Life. Hierarchies or family trees are only produced via common decent.
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Postby hashemyemen » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:27 am

Both of you,

Look, I do not have stamina to write and type via computer, as I have better things to do.


But, let me answer the question of Mr JackBean ,

Just go ahead and read what the recent studies has shown with evolution.... The discovery of Ardi has never supported evolution theory . . . . .


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I believe in what sciences told about Arid not it was telling about Lucy.....


Go ahead and read here:-

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... midus.html
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Postby TheJP » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:16 am

hashemyemen wrote:[b]Both of you,

Look, I do not have stamina to write and type via computer, as I have better things to do.
But, let me answer the question of Mr JackBean ,
Just go ahead and read what the recent studies has shown with evolution.... The discovery of Ardi has never supported evolution theory . . . . .

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I believe in what sciences told about Arid not it was telling about Lucy.....

Go ahead and read here:-
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You've essentially just initiated a discussion, then said you can't be bothered justifying your "theory". Make up your mind :roll:

For what it's worth.. That article neither validates/invalidates your point. It's, well, irrelevant. What exactly *is* your point with linking to it?

Here's an answer to your other "proof":
1. Micro/macroevolution. These are FUD made up by creationists. The two don't exist. There's evolution, and there are mutations amongst populations (which is what microevolution is tantamount to). Again, FUD.

1. The mutations must be positive and allow the organism to procreate and pass them on.
2. The mutations must add information to the genome of the organism.
To date no evolutionist has pointed out such a mutation and if they exist they must be exceedingly rare.

2. The notion that mutation doesn't exist should be scoffed at. If that doesn't set off alarm bells in your head, then you're lacking the ability to think critically. Evolution does not know positive/negative traits. You cannot try and distinguish them. In its simplest form, a "favourable" trait is merely one that SURVIVES via reproduction.

3. You're really talking about the probability of lightning striking to create the first multicellular organisms?

This is something that's taught in first year university/college. I explicitly remember my lecturer saying: a lot of biologists believe that this is how it happened, but we simply cannot recreate the conditions - so it's just a theory. If you don't like it, what's your hypothesis? Your statistics show probability. Here's some light reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlewood%27s_law

4. Again, this seems to talk about the creation of life. This is still widely debated and doesn't really coincide with natural selection or observable evolution. Simply put: neither your scriptures nor science can accurately explain them scientifically. We just tend to keep an open mind about it... whereas you regurgitate the same thing.

5/6 Uhh.. this is all physics. Not really pertinent to evolution, so much as the foundations of life. Please learn to distinguish the two.

I gave up on most of the other points... as I got tired of reading the same monotonous drab. If you'd like to articulate concisely your own argument, I'd be more than happy to entertain it. Please don't just copy/paste a bunch of random links or quotes though -- it just shows you don't actually understand what you're even arguing.

I do respect your beliefs, but there comes a point when you have to understand that that's all they are - beliefs. Science and theism can exist in the same world, but they can't really be brought into the same arguments.
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Postby JackBean » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:20 am

OK, so it will be fine, if I delete this topic as well as the posts leading to this topic?
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Postby hashemyemen » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:50 am

JackBean wrote:OK, so it will be fine, if I delete this topic as well as the posts leading to this topic?


OF course, do it :D
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