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Religion Vs. Science

Postby TheVirus » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:29 am

Is this eternal battle really necessary? Does a good scientist need to be an atheist, to have no religious believes? Can a man of faith believe in God and Newton's Laws? Does Science allow the existence of Religion? What about the other way around? What do you think?
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Postby biohazard » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:52 am

A person who believes in something that has no evidence whatsoever hardly makes a good scientist. Or that's what you'd think, but for some odd reason there are also good scientists who are religious. Apparently one's lack of judgement in one field does not make it impossble to be very good at some other field.

So, no you do not need to be an atheist in order to be a good scientist, but it seems to help, since big percentage of top notch scientists are atheists or agnostics when compared to people as a whole.

Similarly, science and religion are not mutually exclusive, since in many areas of science religions have no effect. It's mainly some areas of medicine and biology where these superstitions hinder scinetific progress even today. I wouldn't be suprised, though, if we can add robotics to this list somewhere in the near future as well.

This being said, it is worth noting that the more religious a country is, the more backwards it is when it comes to science: fundamental muslim countries are not really world famous for their top scientists and also deeply catholic South American countries mostly suck ass in science. Religion -> poverty and lack of high quality education & science. The USA has both fundamental christians and top scientists, but these two qualities are rarely seen in one person...
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Postby JackBean » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:31 am

I don't think, that scientist can't believe in some sort of god. Like Darwin was christian. There is also some web page, where is this kind of problem discussed, unfortunatelly, I don't remember, what was it, but something about, that scientists can believe.

They just don't have to believe in God, as most people do, but just think, that there is Something...
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Re: Religion Vs. Science

Postby andra » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:35 am

I dont think so,i believe in God,n there's no reason for us to be atheis,yea God is the creator of every single thing in this world,n He made the law of the nature too..and A scientist just learn about the law which have been made by Him,what we can do is try,and try to discover every single mistery in this universe,n enjoy how wonderful God has been created this universe,do u agree with me?
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Re: Religion Vs. Science

Postby biohazard » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:59 am

andra wrote: ... do u agree with me?


No, not really.

I mean, it'd be lovely if god took a minute and told us about himself and his plans and what he wants from us. I'm sure he is a busy guy and all, but come on, his last visit here was a couple of thousand years ago. Is it too much to ask a well documented visit at least once a century or so?

Actually, I'm beginning to think that he doesn't give a flying fuuck about us, because otherwise he would not let us, his beloved children, suffer in the million ways we see here, including but not limited to war, disease, famine, natural disasters, disease, murder, rape, accidents and all other shait we get here non-stop.

Or even worse, I'm starting to think that he doesn't even exist. After all, there's no evidence whatsoever of him being around, all we have is this old book written by someone somewhere somtime. It's scary, though, that it's regarded as sufficient reason for millions of people to believe in someone who does nothing, appears nowhere and neglects his children on a daily basis...
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Re: Religion Vs. Science

Postby andra » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:08 am

Well,may be u're right,science is an exact thing,we can see it,touch it,yea what we learn is real,but religion is a faith,so if we think about it,we will never find an answer,it's unlogical too,
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Re: Religion Vs. Science

Postby biohazard » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:26 am

andra wrote:Well,may be u're right,science is an exact thing,we can see it,touch it,yea what we learn is real,but religion is a faith,so if we think about it,we will never find an answer,it's unlogical too,
So what do u think?


Well there I agree with you :)

Religion is based on faith and cannot be scientifically tested. That is also exactly why I don't like to see scientific decisions being influenced by religion. Just as one cannot scientifically prove or disprove the existence of god, some scientific theory or practice should not be tried to be proven or disproven by claiming that "god just did it."

Evolution theory, anyone..?
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Re: Religion Vs. Science

Postby JackBean » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:12 am

biohazard wrote:Evolution theory, anyone..?

Eh?

To both of you: Which god are you talking anyway? The christian God, islamic Allah, Zeus or which one? :roll: :lol:
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Postby biohazard » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:33 am

It makes no difference what is the god's name.

And that evolution theory part: it is the classical example of a scientific topic that is well-supported by scientific evidence but is constantly being challenged by people who have no evidence whatsoever to back up their own claims - that is, by religious people.

"Evolution is false."
"So, how did all life become such as we see it today?"
"God made it so."
"How do you know that?"
"Well, it just is so, because the bible says so."

A solid argument if it came from a five-year-old, but these are adult persons who keep saying this...
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Postby TheVirus » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:37 pm

biohazard wrote:Similarly, science and religion are not mutually exclusive, since in many areas of science religions have no effect. It's mainly some areas of medicine and biology where these superstitions hinder scinetific progress even today....

I think a good example of this is when it comes to the origin of the Universe. Science and religion just can't fit together there. It's hard for scientists to find out a logical explanation for the beginning and reason of the world, while everyone insists in the Creation based on a book.
Personally, i think that many religious people just believe in these things because they find it easier to think of "God did it" as the answer for every question, and because they find it more comforting to think that they KNOW, for example, that when they die good people will go to heaven and be compensated and bad people will go to hell and get their punishment, instead of doubting whether they will even exist once they are not here. They just can't stand the idea of "not existing", which is unfortunately the only thing science can conclude about it right now.
I also agree with Biohazard in that, even if god actually existed (which i seriously doubt right now), either he's deaf, in a coma, or he's just cruel and doesn't give a **** about us.
PD: i didn't mean to insult anyone's believes. Just expressing my own.
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Re: Religion Vs. Science

Postby biohazard » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:39 am

It is also good to remember that people simply have this millenia-long habit of believeing in supernatural. I think it was perfectly understandable for some stone age people to believe in some god-like entity when they for example saw a lightning bolt. There simply were no alternative explanations.

Now during the last few centuries scientists and thinkers have been able to find a logical and well-documented explanations for just about every phenomenom in nature, so it's just these old habits that keep people believeing in gods. Religion is like a virus, it spreads from a mother to a child, on and on.

It is surprising that fundamental religious people do not seem to have anything against such advanced physics topics as quantum mechanics, dark matter or gravitational time delay, which all seem to defy human reason.

Then we have this rather straightforward theory of evolution with overwhelming evidence as support, and they take a few thousand-year old book and claim it beats modern science and concrete evidence just like that. It does not even matter that there are dozens of differen holy books out there. For some odd reason, it is always their book that is the one and only right one :P
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Postby TheVirus » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:54 pm

Yeah, well, logical arguments don't work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any of them anymore. Therefore it's impossible for us to convince them that they're wrong, since all we can do is give logical reasons for God's nonexistence.
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