The Colin Leslie Dean species paradox

[AstusAleator]

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[gamila]

note canalon has already told you

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As for the paradox it cannot be solved

So you are saying that a Donkey with gene A can't mate with a Donkey with mutated gene A(mA)? What if gene mA made a Donkey more fit than Donkeys with gene A. You should end up with a lot of Donkeys with gene mA, no?

you get speciation. The mA population become so different that they can no longer have viable offspring with the A population.

you are floundering

now we seem to have 2 species of donkey - gene A donkey and gene mA donkey

so which is the first species of donkey - Donkeys with gene mA or donkey with gene A


what i want to know is what did the first ever species of donkey gene A mated with
or
what did the first ever species donkey gene mA mated with

all your arguments says is a donkey mated with a donkey and gave birth to a donkey
ie donkey A mated with donkey A(mA)to give birth to donkey mA
then donkey mA speciated into donkey mA

quite a lot of nonsense really

also if donkey mA is a new species of donkey

You should end up with a lot of Donkeys with gene mA, no

then there is no point in it speciating into donkey mA as it must have already have speciated to be donkey mA SPECIES

?
you get speciation. The mA population become so different that they can no longer have viable offspring with the A population

the point is what did the very first ever donkey mate with
thus you have the colin leslie dean species paradox

so lets assume you are saying donkey mA is the very first species of donkey mA
so what did it mate with
if there are no other mAs around -what did it mate with
now if there are other mAs around
we have colin leslie deans point 2

2)a whole lot of species A gave birth toa whole lot of new individuals of species B at the same time so that these new individual members of species B could mate together

if this 2) was the way it happened
we have a major problem
it would mean something made a whole lot of members of species A give birth to a whole lot new members of species B at the same time
we are told species form due to random mutations
so
it is beyound possibility that the same random mutation took place in a whole lot of different members of species A at the same time

the other alternative is that some intelligence was at work

and note canalon has already told you

As for the paradox it cannot be solved

[biohazard]

the point is what did the very first ever donkey mate with
thus you have the colin leslie dean species paradox

the first bird mated with the last lizardbird
thus
colin leslie dean paradox is meaningless nonsense

[papa1983]

Gamila,

What I'm trying to say is there really isn't a "first" of a species. You see, when you look at the Tree of Life and you see a species fork off from it's parents species, that fork isn't a very defined fork. It is more of a blurry fork, because there is still some interbreeding between the different populations. This interbreeding goes on until the populations become so different they can no longer have viable offspring. Then you can consider them to be separate species.

You can't just look at a newborn animal and say" Hey that thing looks different from its mom, it must be a new species."

[AstusAleator]

[gamila]

Then you can consider them to be separate species.

so what did the first ever species of bird mate with
if there are no other birds around -what did it mate with
now if there are other birds around
we have colin leslie deans point 2

2)a whole lot of species A gave birth toa whole lot of new individuals of species B at the same time so that these new individual members of species B could mate together

if this 2) was the way it happened
we have a major problem
it would mean something made a whole lot of members of species A give birth to a whole lot new members of species B at the same time
we are told species form due to random mutations
so
it is beyound possibility that the same random mutation took place in a whole lot of different members of species A at the same time

the other alternative is that some intelligence was at work

[papa1983]

Gamila, I don't know if you've notice this, and biohazard has been imitating this for his own amusement, but you are regurgitating the same mindless automaton garbage despite anything anyone has said.

It is difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you. So I'm going to attempt to turn this discussion around. Can you describe your theory so that we can examine your ideas on how life on this planet has come about?

[gamila]

It is difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you. So I'm going to attempt to turn this discussion around. Can you describe your theory so that we can examine your ideas on how life on this planet has come about?

i happen to accept colin leslie deans claims that all products of human thinking end in meaninglessness ie self contradiction
just take the point that different species can have fertile off spring
now
biologists tell us that the bactrian camel and the dromardry camel are two different species
but
they can interbreed which should mean they are the same species
but we are told they are different species
thus the notion of species ends in contradiction ie meaninglessness

a beautiful example of colin leslie dean point

[papa1983]

i happen to accept colin leslie deans claims that all products of human thinking end in meaninglessness ie self contradiction

So than we can't trust ourselves? Do you really agree that "all" products of human thinking end in nonesense? Ex. Airplanes started as a human thought. Ex. Prayers are products of human thought. All art is a product of human thought. Who must we depend on to do the thinking for us?

This still doesn't explain life on earth, and you debase your own ability to think for yourself. What makes you think Colins own thoughts and ideas aren't corrupt as well?

[gamila]

This still doesn't explain life on earth, and you debase your own ability to think for yourself. What makes you think Colins own thoughts and ideas aren't corrupt as well?

he admitts even his ideas end in meaningless as well -every thing ends in meaninglessness even meaninglessness
go read some of his book
http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/ga ... alogue.htm

[papa1983]

Hell no, I'm not going to read his book, aspecially if it is going to be meaningless. I can't believe any respectable human being would listen to such a person. Completely rediculous.

You have to be an imposter, playing around with our emotions. I have to come to the conclusion you are just having some fun on our forums. Well have you had a good laugh?

[telanerv]

this discussion is *bleep* terrible.
and i can barely decide where to begin.
if you can't understand speciation, its probably because you can't get your head around the fact that it takes

A LOT OF TIME

this conlin leslie dean fellow only convinces the ignorant

if you take a camel from one region and mate it with another camel, why the *bleep* are you surprised when you get a *bleeping* camel?
its obvious that an offspring may be produced and may be viable. speaking entirely as a lay-man if you are surprised, thats just dumb
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A MULE?????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

apparently the definition of species is LOOSE at that juncture.
what about a pig and a cat? what about a bird and a mouse? what about a bacterium and a fungi? what about a bacterium and a human??????? those are two different species, can they mate successfully?? there's probably a very good reason why we don't have these hybrids.