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Genetics cannot account for generation of new species

Postby gamila » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:09 am

Genetics cannot account for generation of new species

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... ection.pdf
'THE REFUTATION. EVOLUTIONARY THEORY: NATURAL SELECTION SHOWN TO BE WRONG'

Now some people seem to think that Genetics can account for the generation of new species


lets be logical
there are only two possibilities
1)the generation of new species is random process
or
2) there is some purpose or design programmed into the genes/DNA such that the generation of a new species takes place in a certain manner

when you think about these alternatives
logically then genetics cant account for the generation of new species

1) if the process is random then genetics cannot account for why a species appears for being random there can be no deterministic reason why it happens in a particular why- once the generation process has started genetics can account for how it unfolds-but genetics cannot account for its random starting point chaos theory might but genetics cant

2)if there is some plan programmed into the genes/DNA such that species unfold according to the plan
then
genetics cant account for the generation of new species- it can account for how the process might unfold
but
it cant account why the genes have been progammed that way- the idea of god might but genetics cant
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Postby Darby » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:54 pm

As often happens, you're confusing the randomness of genetic change with the nonrandom sorting of selection. The genetic changes can occur anywhere, any way, but the products of the changes can confer an advantage, a disadvantage, or be neutral, and whether they persist and spread through following generations, changing the basic "type" (until humans, being the inveterate labellers that we are, want to call it a new species), is determined very non-randomly by the current circumstances.
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Postby gamila » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:06 pm

As often happens, you're confusing the randomness of genetic change with the nonrandom sorting of selection.


that does not aviod the dellemma

if it is random then genetics cannot account for it -chaos theory might but genetics cant
all genetic can do perhaps is deal with the process once started

further it is a logical impossiblity for natural selection to generate new species

NS is all about the transmission of already acquired traits [physical characteristics]
if evolution can take place by speciation i.e. a new species has new traits [physical characteristics] not seen before and are not present in the antecedent species thus NS is invalid as it cannot account for speciation

NS is invalidated by the fact of speciation as NS only deals with traits [physical characteristics] already present and cant deal with the generation of new species ie new physical characteristics not seen before

Consider another example: “vertebrates evolved from invertebrates.” But invertebrate by definition means “not a vertebrate.” Evolve means to change, and a changed thing is not what it once was, by definition. Thus the example can be reduced to absurd and useless repetition: something evolved from what it was not. The end result of the phrase is merely an assumption, not a demonstration. Evolution in this way assumes itself, cloaked in logical fallacy.”


the dellemma
there are only two possibilities
1)the generation of new species is random process
or
2) there is some purpose or design programmed into the genes/DNA such that the generation of a new species takes place in a certain manner

when you think about these alternatives
logically then genetics cant account for the generation of new species

1) if the process is random then genetics cannot account for why a species appears for being random there can be no deterministic reason why it happens in a particular why- once the generation process has started genetics can account for how it unfolds-but genetics cannot account for its random starting point chaos theory might but genetics cant

2)if there is some plan programmed into the genes/DNA such that species unfold according to the plan
then
genetics cant account for the generation of new species- it can account for how the process might unfold
but
it cant account why the genes have been progammed that way- the idea of god might but genetics cant
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Re: Genetics cannot account for generation of new species

Postby AFJ » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:29 am

if it is random then genetics cannot account for it -chaos theory might but genetics cant
all genetic can do perhaps is deal with the process once started


Good point. As evolutionary theory often does --borrow credibility from hard science. Genetics is hard science and is not random- it is a predictable process with variation of course because of sexual intercourse--but the species stays the same for the most part. You can't borrow from it and say that it somehow verifies unguided mutation.
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Postby Gavin » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:05 am

Hi Colin. Remember me? We've met before. I see you have found another forum to pollute. I came across this forum quite by accident but quickly recognised you. Same old stuff, I see.

A note to the members of this forum: Colin (aka gamila) has been doing this sort of thing for years. He invariably gets banned, then moves on. You're just the latest. The guy's not stupid, just not quite all there, if you get my meaning. You're certainly free to continue with these "discussions" if:

1) you're stupid
2) not quite all there
3) have nothing better to do
4) am having fun

Back to you Colin: I'll be posting this message in all the threads you have started just to make sure that everyone knows what they are dealing with.

Till we meet again.

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