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Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby futurezoologist » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:04 pm

Can anyone come up with any solid, completely unexplainable arguments that defy evolution with our current scientific understanding of the issue.

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Postby alextemplet » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:30 pm

Here's one:

The world is overrun by idiots. Therefore, either stupidity is somehow extremely beneficial to the human species (which seems very doubtful to me) or natural selection should have weeded us out long ago in favor of mice. This clear failure of natural selection demonstrates that we cannot be the products of evolution, and have clearly been designed (probably by mice) to be a species of idiots.
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Postby futurezoologist » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:27 am

Heh, ok that's about the best I've heard yet... and that says something. We've become way too good at surviving. But seriously I've not seen any decent argument against it yet... someone...anyone!!! Argue with me!!
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:53 am

Seems to have been very little anti-evolutionist activity on the forum lately. Had you asked this question a few months ago you might've gotten yourself into quite a debate.
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby wbla3335 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:31 am

The Babel fish.
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Postby alextemplet » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:09 pm

I'm glad someone picked up on my Hitchhiker's reference. :)
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby Sepals » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:00 pm

There are none.
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby mcar » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:08 pm

alextemplet wrote: This clear failure of natural selection demonstrates that we cannot be the products of evolution, and have clearly been designed (probably by mice) to be a species of idiots.


Forgive me for this one,it might not be related to this thread. Last week, as I was looking for some materials needed for our convention, I have seen a shirt worn by a woman. Written on it was,
"ALL MEN ARE IDIOTS AND I MARRIED THEIR KING".
---Just one act of random kindness at a time and you can change the world---
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby JorgeLobo » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:52 am

Ahh - have to love the sexism. Care to tell any racial jokes?
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Postby alextemplet » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:52 pm

Here's a racial joke; hope nobody finds it offensive, but if you do, please remember that I'm half-Irish so I'm technically making this joke at my own expense:

Q: Why was the wheelbarrow invented?
A: To teach the Irish how to walk upright! :p
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby AFJ » Sun May 10, 2009 7:31 pm

There are no no solid unexplainable arguments to you sir, because you have already made a conscious decision to accept evolution--which is something you have never seen with your eyes. Yes you have seen all kinds of illustrated diagrams which show us what allegedly happened. But these are drawn by men who have in turn learned these things from men--none of whom were here when the beginning of life took place.

And you have heard the INTERPRETATIONS of the current evidence, made by men who hold no place for a literal interpretation of scripture at most-- or who are atheists at least. It is no wonder they come to the conclusions they do.

I could go in to lots of things, but bottom line is you will always go with your unconscious presuppositions, which in turn become convictions, which in turn build an organized sometimes unconscious way of thinking, which in turn interprets your own existence and purpose, as well as all data that comes your way.

Here are some questions--and yes I know there are hypotheses that explain these, but they are futile attempts to explain away the eternal power and wisdom of God.

Where is the antimatter that should be a result of the big bang?

If sedimentary rock built up over billions of years, why are there tremendously vast graveyards of fossils which contain sea creatures BESIDE mammals and other land animals, often twisted as evidence of a large catastrophe and that vast amounts of sediment overcame them quickly?

If sedimentary rock built up over millions of years, why are there 90 degree bends in multiple very thick strata in the grand canyon without cracks? These same strata extend throughout the US, some as far as the UK. This would be an impossible feature unless the strata was still wet when bent.

Why is there evidence that literally the equivalent of 24 cubic miles of sediment was moved from the northwestern US to the south central US? By what means did this happen?

From what source did the hydrogen gas come from that has been in the sun for over 5 billion years? The law of thermodynamics would conclude that all the energy of the sun must be accounted for, therefore what is the vast amount of hydrogen that would be required to acount for billions of years of joules and enrgy, and how did it all come together as hydrogen into one place?

Since scientists insists on the oxygen crisis--that is that the O2 in the atmosphere came from plants--and that before the O2 crisis in the Hadean period, the earth's atmosphere was formed by volcanoes and high in CO2---How did liquid water form? It would have been in vapor form and the heat caused by the greenhouse gas of CO2 would not have allowed it to condense to liquid. By what means did the alledged early earth change from mostly CO2 to now levels around 1% CO2 and 17% O2 with liquid water, if this model is true?
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Postby alextemplet » Sun May 10, 2009 8:09 pm

AFJ, I'm sure a lot of us here would appreciate if you would give us a bit more credit as far as open-mindedness goes. Some would consider your claim that we are all incapable of overcoming our stiff-necked biases as downright insulting.

That said, I'm going to extend an open mind to your ideas. Give me a theory explaining the development of life, complete with a few falsifiable hypotheses that can be tested against evidence. While you're at it, you may as well provide a few sources (websites and books are my favorites) presenting some evidence for this theory of yours.

I'm asking you to start this from a clean slate, even though you've already explained a little bit about your beliefs, because I admit I may have made a few assumptions about your position that are less than justified. I apologize if you feel the need to repeat yourself on some issues, but I am trying to make sure I understand exactly what your trying to say, which is why I'm asking you to explain it yourself instead of relying on my "presuppositions."
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