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Parthenogenesis(ZW) – CREATION of birds

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Postby enarees » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:00 am

alextemplet wrote:Is it too much to ask for a single peer-reviewed scientific paper?


But, do You claim, that parthenogenesis haven't role in evolution/creation at all?
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Postby alextemplet » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:23 pm

That isn't the point. The point is you are either unable or unwilling to provide evidence to back up your claims.
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Postby canalon » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:06 pm

enarees wrote:
alextemplet wrote:Is it too much to ask for a single peer-reviewed scientific paper?


But, do You claim, that parthenogenesis haven't role in evolution/creation at all?


For bacteria or bdelloid rotifers, it is doubtless, for the rest, I seriously doubt it. But maybe you will prove us wrong with some interesting data to backup your original hypothesis.
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Postby enarees » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:24 am

canalon wrote:For bacteria or bdelloid rotifers, it is doubtless, for the rest, I seriously doubt it. But maybe you will prove us wrong with some interesting data to backup your original hypothesis.


Parthenogenesis among reptiles and birds is fact.

Some scientists try to reject it's importance for evolution/creation.
But the extraction of genes is basic for genetical chemistry, like the extraction in trivial chemistry.

Let for some new ZW female kind no males! What happens?
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Postby AstusAleator » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:25 am

In my experience parthenogenesis occurs in vertebrates rarely, and is usually associated with polyploidy or some other oddity. Example being a species of lizard, Cnemidophorus. In this case a new "species" of lizard has come to be, but they are asexual, reproducing only by parthenogenesis. In this sense they are not a "good" species. Oh, and they've been doing this for quite a while and nobody(nothing) has "created" a way for them to become a sexual species. their genes are doomed, essentially.
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Postby enarees » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:35 am

AstusAleator wrote:In my experience parthenogenesis occurs in vertebrates rarely, and is usually associated with polyploidy or some other oddity. Example being a species of lizard, Cnemidophorus. In this case a new "species" of lizard has come to be, but they are asexual, reproducing only by parthenogenesis. In this sense they are not a "good" species. Oh, and they've been doing this for quite a while and nobody(nothing) has "created" a way for them to become a sexual species. their genes are doomed, essentially.


The XY androgenesis is the big problem for some. :!:
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