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Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:17 pm

Try organic.

Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:23 pm

I have, but because of where I live, it's expensive and hard to come by really.

And to add to my last post, I don't think there's anything wrong with hunting. Hunting is natural if you ask me.


Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:40 am

mith wrote:One of the questions you need to ask yourself about emotion is whether it is a real emotion you're detecting or simply a physiological response.

For example a baby's cry is not an emotion of sadness/anger etc...it's a reflex action to get attention for milk/diaper change etc.

real emotions i insist hmmm..
those physiological responses are higly associated to extreme emotions arent they?
ive read books that discussed some distressed dolpins crying

they produce sounds similar to that of human sounds but in forms of ultrasound


Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:45 am

Jones wrote:I have, but because of where I live, it's expensive and hard to come by really.

And to add to my last post, I don't think there's anything wrong with hunting. Hunting is natural if you ask me.

i was wondrin how our children be able to see those animals in reality if we are not to keep them in zoos
some may even get extinc

Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:18 pm

My father once said that animals of course except humans are irrational beings. I was able to watch a documentary film where pigs to be slaughtered for market consumption must be killed at least with less pain. Some countries use electric shock to kill them. In the film I had watched before, pigs were totally tortured to death. The vet said that it results to lower quality of meat and imagine that what you're eating is already "double dead". I agree here. Now, probably the pigs that were killed then must had felt a very excruciating experience.

Emotions I think is a different level where organisms must be able to understand how things happened that way or what would be its effect. In the case of hunting, the lion might not understand what will happen to the young of a nurturing doe if it kills it. The ferocious beast just responded to hunger. The dear on the other hand acts as well--it doesn't know why it is being hunted by predators, and would respond in order to escape the predators.

But still, there are some groups that are advocates of the ethical treatment for every animals. I think our responsibility here is that how must we do things the proper way. If we have pets or animals in zoos, we ourselves our responsible for them. We must feed them right, give them shelter, and (...I think that some might contest here) give affection, caring and love. We do not let our dogs stray and bite others. Now if these things are really hard to maintain, let's bring out these animals from our custody and let the nature do it's work for their living.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:45 pm

One of the more contriversial issues is if it's okay to put down an animal if the animal is 'damaged' by dog fighting, cars,or if the animal has killed livestock or bitten a human, or anything of natural instinct or dangerous to humans. If PETA gets what they want and animals and humans are created as equal than does the man running the dog fight get put down for being influential to the dog?
Will it be as big of a crime hit a rabbit on the highway as hitting a person crossing the street?
I agree with the overall idea of PETA animals should be treated kindly, but in some aspects it's absolutly absurd.


Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:20 am

I agree with Jones; PETA has good intentions but they're a little to extreme for my tastes. For example, I enjoy hunting and see nothing wrong with it; it's a great way to get delicious fresh meat that wasn't tortured on a farm. I always make it a point to try to kill the animal with my first shot, since I do not want it to suffer needlessly. Sometimes, I am afraid, my first shot is a little off and only wounds the animal, putting it in pain and requiring a second shot to kill it; however, I always try (and usually succeed) to make one-shot kills. However, even if it does take two shots, I do not see how this is any worse than some of the hunting techniques that some predators use to kill their prey.

I have actually been thinking about adopting vegetarianism lately, for a lot of different reasons. I am not quite sure if I will or even to what extent I would want to be a vegetarian (Would I still eat eggs? How about drinking milk?), but I know that if I decide to become a vegetarian I will have to give up hunting. I think it's wrong to kill an animal if it's not for food or self-defense.

Here's an interesting thought about PETA's extreme stance. Would they consider it murder to swat a mosquito? If so, they might not want to visit south Louisiana.


Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:26 am

Yes, it right to say if animals would be killed for a very important reason. I see no wrong in hunting and consuming an animal for food. I think that PETA has a strong power over the protection of certain animals that are not likely consumed typically. Moreover, if such animal might not at leat pose a great danger in a paricular community. Killing and consuming local dogs are actually prohibited in our country but some locality do not mind this. However, if certain ethnic tribes must have to kill one for their sacrificing rituals, they are counted for doing the act legally. Recent news I have watched included an investigation on the unknown death of at least 20 stray cats in one of the local municipality here. Cats were found to be shot with air gun pellets. The cats were known to be adopted and were under the custody of a local village in the same municipality. I am seeing here that people behind the case must have tried doing hunting in the city, instead of hunting those typically hunted wild animals, they have tried domesticated breeds since it would be more convenient for them to do "city hunting" instead of going to a forest, which would be more expensive.

Another factor I am realizing here is how people are continuously reminded on their reponsiblity in regards to animal treatment. How are these animals be utilized for a good reason. Well if a mosquito would give me Plasmodium, I will definitely be regretful if I haven't swat one.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:09 pm

Some vegitarians choose to eat eggs and milk products. I do, but only because here I know the eggs I buy come from farms in the state, and I trust that the cows in milking factories are taken care of because of first hand experience by my father.
PETA said at one point that the cows are not taken care of and that they get huge blisters on their utters but there is no way that a company would jepardize their part in the industry by not keeping the animals healthy.
Doesn't exactly make sense for them to ruin the animals that they get their money from, eh?


Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:52 am

being a rational animal(at least in our perspective) we are obliged to take care of our environment including those animals.

but sometimes I believe PETA exaggerates this idea
animals are more taken care of than our fellow human? let alone yourself get hungry?
one of my friend taking fine arts is an advocate of this and he burdens himself by acquiring expensive synthetic art brushes because according to him they are not to cut a hair on an animal.

there is a saying that everything should be in moderation. If something goes beyond certain degree then its no longer good
such as this conviction

but if we hurt animals , its not good also....

but I have a problem...

How about if your studying anatomy and you would want to find out how certain system inside an animal's body would work
and decided to dissect it alive. I know thats brutality.

but thats how we do it.

is there any way to relieve the organism from suffering so much without killing it instantly?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:34 pm

Why would you dissect the animal alive?
Aren't those kinds of experiments done on animals that have died of natural causes?

PETA is against animal brutality, they just take it to a different level.
It gets to be kind of rediculous. I do agree that PETA has good intentions, just not the best action.
I was watching videos of slaughterhouses, and I found out a few days later the videos had been shot in 3 years time and that the things they had on camera were only instinces when instant death of the animals had obviously failed.


Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:08 am

not all schools kill the animals prior to dissection to find out how some parts work such as the heart and the skeletal muscles
yeah clearly theyre brutality!
so I thought it should be stopped I took pity on them in the laboratory everytime the grizzly ritual is done

but the same thing is done to a human

some are burried alive

tortured to death :wink:
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