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Postby mith » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:37 am

To put it politely, you should read the rest of the thread.
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Re: Bible vs Darwin

Postby mcar » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:38 am

Corax said:
I don't expect to change anybodies mind here
Actually, there must be no point of argue regarding our different doctrines. To debate things sometimes turns to a pointless direction; moreso we donot really expect to change others. As a matter of fact, it is good to see us being enlightened and really getting the prime benefit of what must be sought in this world. To ask or impart new things to a learned person in relation to his/her doctrine will always be a big thing, however. Some may just rather choose silence and stop opening conversations or queries just to prevent untoward responses, not unless of course a broad mind is always willing to hear. Now if some become unbelievers or already exactly the same thing, if they do not believe truly, and given they have the benefit of the doubt, "what if there must really be...".
Now this question is for everybody whatever they are, to where there will be a greater lost?

My friend once asked a pastor if there would come a day wherein different religious advocates here would come and work together as a one.The pastor responded that it won't happen at all. It should not be like that. I am sorry if I am getting out of the thread telling this one, but please allow me to share some of the things which were also shared to me as well: As for many Christians, we still differ at least in many things. That as Christians, we know and we say that we are supposed to be living in Christ's way. We have been exposed to different traditions, wherein the real matter is that it further brings us away from what must be done. Please check also Mark 9:25 in the Bible. My friend shared to me things regarding the deaf and dumb spirit being told there. That at the present, most of us Christians are actually in fact deaf and dumb regarding the truth. That it is very hard for the most us to listen and speak the revealed things.

Surikell said:
I have studied Qur'an quite thoroughly

I have a question. My friend and I have been asking for this one. What is the Islamic name of John the Baptist? Is there a quotation there about John the Baptist as the voice in the wilderness preparing the way of the Lord? Thank you.
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Postby Propsie » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:26 pm

mith wrote:To put it politely, you should read the rest of the thread.

Well, thanks for being polite. :P
I was a little short on time, but I always have trouble keeping my mouth shut on topics I'm passionate about. I'm getting through it, though.
Sorry for posting... inconveniently, if that's the word?
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Postby mith » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:14 pm

No, but you're proverbially spinning your tires in the mud if you're passionate without considering what exactly the argument is about or what has already been said.
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Postby Propsie » Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:03 am

I understand that. I've already apologized for inserting myself and my views where they didn't belong and I'm in the middle of catching myself up so I can contribute. I don't think I can remove my post so i don't know what else there is to say.
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Re: Bible vs Darwin

Postby Corax » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:02 am

Propsie, you did nothing wrong. It would hardly be possible to involve yourself in a discussion without giving those involved the low-down on your basic beliefs. Even if you had read the thread from beginning to end, your first post would likely be exactly what yours was, letting others know where you're coming from, faith wise.

That being said, your belifs have holes in them big enough to drive an aircraft carrier through. This thread isn't the place to list them, let alone explain them. Just read what you put, and if the illogical/contradictory statements don't leap out at you, then I don't know who can help you- but I know it won't be me. I don't have enough hair to try to get through to someone as trapped as you (it tends to get pulled out after the 73rd time someone says 'but science takes faith too!!!'.) Time, nonbiased information, and an open mind, will have to do what I can't.
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Postby mith » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:45 am

Propsie wrote:I understand that. I've already apologized for inserting myself and my views where they didn't belong and I'm in the middle of catching myself up so I can contribute. I don't think I can remove my post so i don't know what else there is to say.


You don't need to apologize, and neither should you remove the post. Move forward.
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Postby Cristgonz » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:04 pm

watch zeitgeist.
it will give you a neutral position on this controversial subject.

personally, i don't agree with the bibble.
in our world are so many different cultures with different religions based basically on the same thing so talk about the bibble as the real truth is not a good spot to start a discussion.
Besides, they have no scientific proofs for their speechs and i guess all of us know the scientific method.
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Re: Bible vs Darwin

Postby Corax » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:26 pm

Whew, it's hot outside. 30 Deg. C out there, so I'm in the basement for a few minutes to cool off.

My son's Grade 2 class went to the Tyrrell Museum a couple of weeks ago and I was one of the chaperones. At the museum, as often as I could (which wasn't very often, considering the two boys I was to keep an eye on were all over the place, never stopping for more than a few seconds at any one place), I tried to reconcile the ideas of evolution and creationism. For the life of me I can't even come close to imagining the mind-set required to believe the Bible's version of the origin of life.

Seeing the skeletons of Edmontonsaurus, Albertosaurus, T. Rex, Pachycephalosaurus, and many others, makes it rather difficult to pretend that they were alive only thousands of years ago, and either wiped out by the flood or taken (as babies or eggs naturally) on the ark, then all dying for some reason after the water miraculously disappeared. They were so fundamentally different from anything currently alive that the idea of their coexistance with todays life is a non-starter. And the fact that many of the fossils were recovered in locations that were demonstrably incapable of supporting them mere thousands of years ago, is yet another brick in the wall separating evolution from the Bible.

Ignoring Bible literalists, I can only comment on the Apologists claim the Bible is a massive, god-directed, moral story. If it is simply a set of stories, what right does it have in being interpreted as science? My old Mad magazines have just as much right as the Bible to be mined for scientific truths and information. Unless a god decides to say directly that the Bible is literally true, it is wrong to think it is factually true.

Well, out to the yard again.
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Postby MrMistery » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:06 pm

The Bible should not be interpreted as science. Of course, it is impossible to prove God does or does not exist. Therefore, in a poor correlation it is impossible to prove that the stories the Bible tells are or are not valid. However, for something to be called science it must possible to verify by the experimental method.
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Re: Bible vs Darwin

Postby juliana29 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:40 am

The Darwin theory and Bible story are co-related. Darwin prove by scientific way and the Bible discribes by literally.

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Re: Bible vs Darwin

Postby enarees » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:36 pm

[quote="juliana29"]The Darwin theory and Bible story are co-related. Darwin prove by scientific way and the Bible discribes by literally.
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Darwin hid androgenesis entirely. The Bible - partially.
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