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Re: Bible vs Darwin

Postby gfrabizi » Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:41 am

David George wrote:
gfrabizi wrote:wars have been faught to proove a personal thought...to supply and demand a personal thought(which could be explained as pride, wrath, greed, etc.). Though people say religion has been the center of war, it is the irgnorance of both supporting and opposite religion that would start such hatred to begin a war. prejudice is a good example of the normal out come. where as many religions actualy support peace rather violence. Its this missunderstanding that cause such horrors.

And what you got to be sorry about? rather sarcastic there huh? any who, many do the same as you claim. Many actually experience God within nature and through out the natural world. why, many explanations of the super natural is through the natural in means of understanding.


Your right "wars have been fought to prove a personal thought"
In this case personal thought of whose religion is right or whose so called "God" is greater.And i don't see any diamond or gold mines in the region of Israel,palestine for which the crusades were fought.It was just some "Holy land" stuff.Add the end of the day you must accept that if their had been NO religion there wouldn't have been any such wars.

You act as if it is new that someone would hide behind something good in order to do something bad. pedophiles have been known to search for jobs that would get them close to a child. the job they pick has nothing to do with that job being bad or the normal people within that position being bad. U.S. Civil War? Race. Your mintioning of the Crusades? Middles east was a huge site of trading, the current land of Isreal was a connection between the western societies to the eastern (right through to middle east) Muslim Empire was controling that trade area, which would have cause many western societies to grow in wealth. It was not just one city they faught for, it was the entire landscape. If the King of England and others would have won that war, they would have faught eachother just to control it. Oh and Jerusalem itself was a huge trade center which many businesses payed taxes to the Muslim Empire (forgot its actual name). A little fun fact here, the side that did win that war was actually more honorable and just than the other, not just because of 'cause' but what had happened there because of such 'cause'. By that I mean, history shows that the majority soldiers hired by the King of England and King of France were not in same comparison as to holiness. also, there was a general that forced the murders of thousands of local peoples, some of which were not even Islamic. There were a few being Christian. The cause of the 'Holy War' was not Holy at all. it as Wrath(hatred towards the region and race), Greed(control of trade), and Pride(ability to say one is better). these three words as one may notice is listed as vices for Christians and Islamics.

One may also note within the history of England, the King grew in 'power' when he sent nobiles and others to the war.
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:30 am

Good points. The causes of almost all wars are almost always economic, meaning greed. One side wants to profit at another's expense. In order to gain popular support, governments almost always employ the propaganda of fighting for something good, such as religion or justice or human rights. To say that any of these things cause war is to completely misunderstand the real reasons for conflict.
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Postby David George » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:32 am

Alright Alex
So you say that George Bush attacked Afganistan and Iraq for personal greed but said that God told to attack in his dream just to cover up the whole issue.
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:43 pm

When did I say that God told him to attack it in a dream? Where are you getting this nonsense?
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Postby gfrabizi » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:25 pm

David George wrote:Alright Alex
So you say that George Bush attacked Afganistan and Iraq for personal greed but said that God told to attack in his dream just to cover up the whole issue.
This thread is gone offcourse like most thread in this Evolution forum

I dont remember Bush ever stating that war was under the impression of Divine Guidence. what news article did you read?
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:54 pm

[quote=David George"]This thread is gone offcourse like most thread in this Evolution forum[/quote]

Got to keep the fashion trend going, after all! ;)
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Postby David George » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:30 am

gfrabizi wrote:This thread is gone offcourse like most thread in this Evolution forum

I dont remember Bush ever stating that war was under the impression of Divine Guidence. what news article did you read?[/quote]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
there is your link mate

alextemplet wrote:When did I say that God told him to attack it in a dream? Where are you getting this nonsense?

Think you got it all wrong mate.I never said you said this information.
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Postby alextemplet » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:52 pm

George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.


That article doesn't quote Bush once; it only quotes what other people claim Bush said. I'm sure I don't need to explain to you why that makes it nonsense.
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Postby David George » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:12 am

alright leave it you seem to be a strong bush supporter.........
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:03 pm

I am not even close to a Bush supporter; check my posts in the off-topic about Hurricane Katrina if you need any more proof than that. Whether or not I am for or against him is not the point. The point is that you have failed to provide us with a single example of Bush claiming that he was acting under divine guidance. I would hope that someone as big into the sciences such as yourself would see the logical fallacy of relying totally on second-hand rumors of "he said/she said" instead of actual quotes from the person in question.
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Postby David George » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:05 am

Alright Alex
I accept your not a bush supporter.May your from the "Yes We can" group :wink:
Anyways its hard to verify Since bush once stated "he felt like God was with him as he made big decisions, but that the decisions were his"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_ ... _interview

Anyways getting back to the topic.Why did he attack Iraq???
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:15 pm

He also said the decision to go to war in Iraq was not connected to his religious believes.


There's proof right there that this isn't some sort of religious war. How did we get onto this topic again?
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