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Postby ragav.payne » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:18 pm

What exactly is the difference between a living thing and a non-living thing?

By golly, I don't want the primary school answer to the question. I want a clear fundamental distinction between the things that live and the ones that don't.

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Postby mith » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:07 pm

look on our virus threads...
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Postby alivingthing » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:41 am

1.化学成分的同一性
2.严整有序的结构
3.新陈代谢
4.应急性和运动
5.稳态
6.生长发育
7.繁殖和遗传
8.适应
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Postby Madeline » Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:15 am

You may not like this but my answer would be that the "living" has a spirit.
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Postby kotoreru » Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:56 pm

Read some of the latest online New Scientist articles on that, kclo4x.
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Postby AstusAleator » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:07 pm

post a link or a reference please kotoreru, I'd like to read up on that as well.
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Postby ragav.payne » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:35 am

Madeline wrote:You may not like this but my answer would be that the "living" has a spirit.


Honestly, who would like it? This kind of answer is nothing but a temporary plasma that fills the ever-expanding gap called curiosity.

Kclo4x wrote:i say anything that contains carbon, self replicating, and is subject to evolution



Well...seems like everyone has their own line of distinction for life. But, how about something more fundamental? I'd be impressed if the lack of one specific, fundamental, everlasting, independant (i.e. not influenced by its surroundings. unlike evolution.) characteristic in a living species can get it classified under the "lifeless" category.
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Postby Madeline » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:28 pm

I don't see any reason as to why Life wouldn't be called "life" if it were to be found on another planet. Even bacteria is considered life. Please don't get mad again. :lol:

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Postby AstusAleator » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:50 pm

It may very well be that we will someday discover a form of "life" that is utterly unlike what we consider to be life. But until then, we've got a pretty good idea of the parameters within which "life" can occur on earth. The only vagueness occurs with, like mith said, things like viruses.

imho, viruses are not truly alive because they cannot reproduce themselves. They rely on the metabolic energy of their host cells, as well as their genetic mechanisms.
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Postby dan167 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:37 am

I got this from a book. All living things share basic characteristics, including the following:

- Responsiveness - Organisms can respond to changes in the environment, this is called irritability.

- Growth and *most of the time* differentiation - Organisms can grow larger by increasing the number of cells. Individual cells withon the organism become specialized to perform particular functions. In one celled organisms the size of the cell increases.

- Reproduction - Organisms reproduce, creating subsequent generations of similar organisms.

- Movement - Organisms are capable of producing movement, which may be interal or external.

- Metbolism and excretion - Organisms rely on complex chemical reactions to provide energy, this reactions create harmful waste which must be excreated.
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Postby kotoreru » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:04 pm

Hmm here's all I could find on that stuff I mentioned earlier in the thread:

http://space.newscientist.com/channel/a ... -dust.html

Truth be told, it's all a bit abstract but may interest you.
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Postby pd84 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:04 pm

At school, we were taught living things are those that: move, reproduce, react to stimuli, grow, respire, excrete and require nutrition.

But then just as an extra note, someone quipped that fire has all these properties so is this a living thing, blah blah...
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