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Postby genovese » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:55 am

[quote="twinletkat"]The point of my previous posts about dinosaurs existance with humans and the paintings are not the point that I was trying to make. The point is that just because there is no immediate and irrefutible evidence today that humans and dinosaurs walked together does not mean that it did not happen. Have not fisherman found various dinosaur-like aquatic animals that had not even decomposed enough to be older than humans?

I agree that the non-existence of dinosaur pictures on cave dwellings does not prove that humans and dinosaurs did not live at the same period of time. Had there been some pictures however would have been nice confirmation for your theory that they did exist together.

“my goal is to make people look at true facts and then deduce what they believe. Not know what they believe and look for proof to back up their own hypothesis and assumptions.”

Nothing wrong with your statement here although many discoveries have been made by people having theories and then trying to prove those theories by the use of experimentation. The great advantage of Man’s brain is that he can think in abstract terms which enables him to work things out even though he cannot see them! You seem to me to be saying that you only believe in things which you can see. We wouldn't have made much progress along those lines. There is abundant evidence that the earth is very old, as is life itself, and that life has evolved from common ancestors. It is difficult to prove this in our life time because evolution takes place over thousands of years. We would have to set up an experiment and watch it over many generations.

Mankind had to wait for space exploration before the last "flat-earth" thinker finally abandoned his ideas even though there was ample evidence before space exploration that the earth was not flat.

Can you tell me what are the “true facts” that make you believe that all the species that we see to-day have always been around since the origin of life.
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:20 pm

There seems to be a flaw in your logic, twinkletkat. Your reasoning seems to be that just because there's no evidence doesn't mean it isn't true, and therefor it should be treated as a legitimate theory. Wrong. Using this logic, it's impossible to determine what might be real or not. For example, maybe the entire universe was created a mere thirty seconds ago and we were all created complete with false memories to give the impression of a full life as well as a universe created with the "appearance" of old age to convince that because we've been around for a while we're somehow important. Maybe that's true, but without any evidence, how can you be sure? And if other theories have stronger evidence, why not go with what you can prove?
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Postby genovese » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:42 pm

Good point Alex. Also if we follow this line of logic

“my goal is to make people look at true facts and then deduce what they believe. Not know what they believe and look for proof to back up their own hypothesis and assumptions.”

How would Einstein have deduced that matter was another form of energy? How would theoretical Physics have got us to where we are to-day? Try observing quantum mechanics without abstract thinking and much imagination.
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Postby mcar » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:04 am

In a book I've read, dinosaurs as for the bible are referred to be dragons in nature. And both had lived together at the same time.
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Postby MichaelXY » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:14 am

The tales of dragons have been told throughout time, as written records indicate, but I do not think you can correlate this to dinosaurs. I will agree however, that man of antiquity may have found dinosaur fossils and conjured up tales of dragons in its storys.
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Postby mcar » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:06 am

That's actually how they said about it. And for creation, it was suggested too that the six days of God's creation were equivalent to million of geological years.
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Postby alextemplet » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:28 pm

mcar wrote:That's actually how they said about it. And for creation, it was suggested too that the six days of God's creation were equivalent to million of geological years.


The question has been raised as to what exactly is meant by the term "day," as this word takes on varying meaning depending on where in the universe the observer is located. For example, on Earth a day is 24 hours, but on Mars it is 25 hours, on Jupiter it is a mere 12, and on Venus a day lasts about three months. One would assume that the creation story was written from the perspective of God, the creator, who presumably would be in Heaven, and no one knows how long a day is in Heaven. So "day" to us might mean many millions of years to God. Also, given that God exists for all eternity, one would expect that what would seem like a very long time to us (such as millions or perhaps even billions of years) would be as mere seconds to God.
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Postby mcar » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:31 pm

Well alex, the last sentence you wrote, such long time would be just a very fast snapshot to God.
That is far more to be likely comprehended by the human mind.
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Postby tianlai » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:01 pm

jeremiah_1990 wrote:Im just tying to get people to start thinking about what they belive. not what a text book says or their professor

Excellent advice! But how did you get your thought of God? Did God itself(sorry I can't confirm the gender of God) teach you or someone else?
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Re: God vs Evolution

Postby mcar » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:00 am

tianlai wrote:
Excellent advice! But how did you get your thought of God? Did God itself(sorry I can't confirm the gender of God) teach you or someone else?

I mean no argue here but in the tone of what you confirmed here, is somewhat you would just agree that you existed with no designer. Maybe from just a mere collection of non-living dusts which were condensed into an unidentidified thing. Yes, simply a "thing" and not totally living.
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Re: God vs Evolution

Postby tianlai » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:52 pm

mcar wrote:
tianlai wrote:
Excellent advice! But how did you get your thought of God? Did God itself(sorry I can't confirm the gender of God) teach you or someone else?

I mean no argue here but in the tone of what you confirmed here, is somewhat you would just agree that you existed with no designer. Maybe from just a mere collection of non-living dusts which were condensed into an unidentidified thing. Yes, simply a "thing" and not totally living.

Yes, every one has right to choose his belief. So I prefer to live in a real world, rather than false world. I respect reality but not lie.
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Re: God vs Evolution

Postby alextemplet » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:15 pm

tianlai wrote:Yes, every one has right to choose his belief. So I prefer to live in a real world, rather than false world. I respect reality but not lie.


On this statement you and I are in complete agreement, although I think the agreement stops there, as I doubt if any two philosophers have ever been able to agree on a single definition of reality.
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