God vs Evolution

[kotoreru]

If only you could see what I have seen.

The last person who said that to me was a 'born again' Christian. I reserve judgement...

[Linn]

I told my friend that religion and God is not true but as long as he is happy in believing in God then that is not a problem[as long as he doesn't fight with science].

Religion is like a drug which a person who has a disease should take.If others take it it is bad.Evolution has better proof than God .

Wow, that's some pretty offensive stuff. Said in a very off-hand way. I really think you should exercise some discretion with those views... even on a 'Science' forum.

Science never has proof, of anything. All we can do is supply the evidence such that particular beliefs are dis-proven.

Thats a fair statement, I agree with kotoreru.

[robertkernodle]

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Okay, narrowstaircase, you correctly assess in your last statement that we disagree over the primary basis of belief in God.

And, okay, this can be the "end of it" for you. But your ending does not end my own position, which I maintain is NOT unfounded, as you assert.

You cannot know whether laws are malleable or not. You only can see them in the limits of your and your fellow humans' mortal lifespans in a shared, apparently consistent history of their accounting. This is why "laws" are OUR laws.

Laws do NOT define what is going on. They express what we humans percieve is going on. If laws did "define", then they would have to be written prior to the events they define, and this makes me ask, "Where, then, are they written?... , and by whom are they written?" This seems to assume a law maker above humans as a starting place, and this is NOT my starting place.

I believe that the aim of living is to understand. To understand, we have to know. To know we have to grasp. To grasp, we have to have someTHING to grasp. To have someTHING to grasp, we have to have it MOVING in a relationship of relationships with us. How best, then, can we understand? From this (my) point of view, it is through a flexible model of reality that relates to some universal metaphor of our experiences,... which can be used to tweak our current laws towards a better plane of understanding.

Okay,... this can be MY "end of it".

Best wishes,

Robert K.

[David George]

For all those linns and kotorerus and alextemplates I meant religion as a drug meaning medicine which means you think its good it is [although sometimes it isn't] if not it isn't.Remember medicine with side efect is religion.

[David George]

Alright narrowstaircase define soul cos you said i dont have one and I agree with it.

[supergirl]

I have been in a coma when i was allmost 16. I have been in a light and so on, a deathexperience or something. The docters thought i was dead first. They asked my parents for a codicil because they wanted to cut in me. My grandmother implied to take care of me some longer, and i started to come alive after a few days, weeks, months, years.

I know my spirit didn't die, but couldn't enter my body for the whole, because of insuries and medication/drugs. So my body was partially dead, but not my spirit. It was a strange experience, and i know for sure 'God' doesn't excist. I did feel a judgement and great powers. More like the moslims say; allah oe akbar, or something. 'Thanks', to all the big powers around us.
Now more and more people with different gods in there lives start to live together with other people with their gods, now we learn to collied our gods i think. In a year or 50 we will find a godmixture maybe. If a lot of people want to, we will. [/url]

[david23]

supergirl that is very imciteful understanding that you have. I look forward to hear more from you.

[supergirl]

David, what do you meen with imciteful?

[supergirl]

I will start a new topic about this god-mix-thing.

[mith]

He meant "insightful".

[kotoreru]

Yeh, please start a new topic on this, Supergirl Very interesting stuff...

[ReggieLynch]

I believe that God and evolution are both right and work with one another and not against.
Humans know that they have evolved from single cell organisms, we have proven it and we can file this as truth.
Now lets move over and take a look at parenting. We start as a single cell, an egg. and another single cell, the sperm and we evolve from this into a human being. So it is safe to say that our parents gave us the conditions to become a healthy human being

And in comparison God did the same by giving us the right climate and conditions to evolve into healthy human beings

To me evolution is the how, and God is the answer to why. I guess it all depends on how you look at it. You cant deny proven fact and you also can't deny religious belief.
In the older religions like true "Voodoo" That was very heavy into science they had explanations as to how things work but the why always came back to God or divine intervention.
To me there is no reason why the two can't be one in the same or have an equal hand with one another.

Reggie